MOC with 17 appointees?

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  1. Sneak

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    I live in MO-02 and Rep. Wagner published her list of appointees for the class of 2020 a few days ago. It specifically says on the website that these were all appointees who had accepted an appointment. But there are 17 names on the list! How is this possible? Assuming that she had 1 slot open for each academy as most MOC's usually do, does this mean that all of the other candidates were selected from the NWL? That seems like a lot of appointees from the NWL... The list includes like 9 or 10 appointees to USMA alone!

    Here is the link to the list

    http://wagner.house.gov/2016-military-academy-appointees
     
  2. Stealth_81

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    It's not really that out of the ordinary if you break it down.

    First of all, just because they are from Wagner's district doesn't mean they got their nomination from her. Congressmen like to include all of the appointees from their district to make it seem like they are doing great things for their constituents, even if they're not directly responsible. Just a quick glance through the list shows there are two prepsters and an Active Duty direct admit so they may have different nomination sources. Also, keep in mind that this is a suburb of St. Louis with nearby Scott AFB (a fairly large base with lots of Joint assignments) so some may be children of AD members with Presidential noms or other sources.

    Also, the one slot per academy per year is really not accurate. Congressmen can have 5 charged spots at each academy at any time. So, they generally would have two slots every 4th year. When you take into account attrition, they may actually have two slots every other or every third year. Add all of these factor together and it is not that unusual to have 17 appointees between the 5 service academies from one district in a given year.

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  3. Sneak

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    I was originally under the impression that these were all nominees from Wagner's slate, but that doesn't make sense since there are more than five to USMA alone and she can't have more than five slots anyway
     
  4. NavyHoops

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    Stealth is spot on. Just because they reside in her district doesn't mean they are being charged to her. Presidential, VP, Supt, some may have gotten a Senatorial and a few other types of Noms. She could of had 1-5 slots open this year (more than likely it was 1-2). One is on active duty and would be charged to SECNAV. Another is at MAPS and could be charged the same way to the Sec of the Army. Another appears to possibly be AOG sponsored. The USCGA appointee isn't using a Nom.
     
  5. mom3boys

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    You're missing a piece of this that helps it make sense. To receive an appointment, an applicant has to have a nomination. That means his/her name just has to be on a slate. Some of those will have an LOA (aka golden ticket). The LOA trumps who is ranked higher than who. Also, some of those have an athletic LOA (i.e. blue chip recruit). The year my son was nominated, our Senator had 9/10 on his West Point slate offered admission. #10 was a medical DQ. If he had a slate like that for all the academies it could far surpass 17.
     
  6. pinkroyals32

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    My district was able to have 18 kids be appointed to SA's last year they take vacant nominations from wherever they can get them from what I understand
     
  7. NavyHoops

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    That's not how it works. They just can't take a vacant nom in some other district or state and appoint someone. Probably a very competitive district with many Presidential Noms and appointments off the NWL.
     
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    From what I understood is they would work with all the offices to try to get as many kids nominated as possible
     
  9. NavyHoops

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    Now that could be true. One minor point... All the offices within the state. The previous post it had sounded like they were taking spots from
    Other states, that can't happen. Just wanted to dispel that rumor as it happens frequently. Some states/MOCs do coordinate to maximize noms. It's always helps to have highly qualified appointees who get appointed off the NWL and plenty with presidential noms. That is how you see these high numbers.
     
  10. Pima

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    NO. Navy Hoops is correct. The only SA that operates differently is USMMA. They are allowed to apply to ALL MOCs within their state. They do not need to live in that congressional district.

    Xposted with NavyHoops.

    I don't believe they are from other MoCs because the way the system is each MoC has only 5 slots at one time. Look at it from an elected perspective. If they (the SA) starts to charge to one MoC, than a new MoC comes into power they are going to be ticked that the SAs took all of their vacancies and cannot nominate.
    ~ Theoretically that could happen. They could charge Congressman Smith with his 2 vacancies to Congressman Jones candidates, leaving Smith with 0 for next year. Congressman Smith loses to Congressman Davies and he now has 0 nominations for his district.
     
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  11. Sneak

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    So if appointments can't be assigned to different MOCs, where do the applicants on the NWL get their nominations from? It was my understanding that the NWL existed in order to assign applicants to MOCs that had a vacancy
     
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    Sometimes MOCs list all the people in their district who received appointments. That can include the folks that MOC nominated, folks who live in his/her district that received Senate noms, Pres noms, ROTC noms, were at NAPS/Foundation this year, etc. If it is a very competitive district, this sort of thing can happen. In some super-competitive districts 8-10 people could come off the MOC's list alone for one SA, the others being slotted to other sources.

    That is why people should not "panic" when they hear that someone else in their district received an LOA, a nom, an appointment, etc.
     
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    Someone else posted this link in another thread on the NWL... http://www.west-point.org/academy/malo-wa/educators/faqs.html.

    Also if you use the search function with NWL it will give you tons of data. The NWL appointments are charged elsewhere. When you see 8-10 appointments from one district it does not equal 8-10 appointments charged to that MOC. It means they have some very qualified appointees who may have received Noms from a variety of places... ROTC, Presidential, VP, NWL, etc. NWL is a unique beast and its best to read the link and some other links to see this discussion as some of the very knowledgeable BGOs have posted info.
     

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