MOC ?

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  1. burnerafter16

    burnerafter16 Member

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    If a MOC can only have five cadets attending at a time,
    what happens when none of the five are graduating?

    If an MOC has five slots filled with one to graduate this May-opening a single slot,
    who would get an appointment between a fully qualified candidate out of high school or prep school reapplicant?
     
  2. Pima

    Pima Parent

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    If none of them are graduating the MOC has no slots. They can't appoint anyone because they used up their charges. There will be no NOM slate submitted in the 1st place.

    If they have one open, and does not use the principal, than it is up to the AFA and the WCS to determine if the HS candidate is charged over the prep candidate.
     
  3. burnerafter16

    burnerafter16 Member

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    Isn't there a way that they're able to find unfilled slots from districts that don't have as many applicants?
    Other than a Vice Presidential nomination, once a MOC slot is filled what other recourse does a fully qualified candidate have to secure an appointment?
     
  4. Pima

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    NO! If the MOC has 5 charged, and you live in their district, that is it. They cannot submit a slate. It is not like USMMA where you can apply to MOC's in your state that are not your congressman.

    You need a nom, any nom, from there if the AFA deems you competitive and you do not win the apptmt from the slate, you get to fight in the National Pool.
     
  5. aglages

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    Each state has two US Senators and a US Representative in addition to the VP nom. Each of those has 5 slots. Are you saying all the MOCs in your state have 5 cadets currently at USAFA and none graduating?
     
  6. Pima

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    I am actually confused, isn't your DS at the AFA currently?
     
  7. aglages

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    Pima: I assume your post was directed to the OP. If not; Yes my son is still at USAFA. Unless you've heard something he hasn't shared with me......:eek:
     
  8. usna1985

    usna1985 USNA Alumnus

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    The SAs do their level best to work with MOCs to ensure they have at least one vacancy each year. However, SAs cannot tell MOCs what to do.:rolleyes: So, occasionally, the MOC gives out too many noms in one year -- i.e., fills too many vacancies thus not ensuring there are vacancies for each coming year -- and, unless something unexpected happens (a cadet charged to that MOC leaves USAFA early), will not have a slot in a particular year. Sadly, this tends to happen if an MOC is leaving office -- leaving his/her successor out of luck.:frown:

    It is unfortunate for candidates but there is absolutely nothing you or the SAs can do about it. If one of your MOCs does not have a vacancy for a particular SA, the MOC's staff should be up front about it. That MOC may still have vacancies for other SAs and, as noted, you have two other MOCs to whom to apply.
     
  9. Proud Utah Mom

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    Public Information?

    Curious, is there any public source of information that documents the number of cadets currently charged against the MOC? If not, is this fair game to ask the MOC's office?
     
  10. Maplerock

    Maplerock Proud to be an American

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    Can you hear it???

    CH-46... or SH-60?
     
  11. usna1985

    usna1985 USNA Alumnus

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    Not aware of any public information nor do ALOs, BGOs, etc. have this info. It is fair game to ask the MOC's office. However, don't panic. The overwhelming majority of MOCs have at least one vacancy per SA each year.
     
  12. Christcorp

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    I'm from a small populated state. Matter of fact; it's the SMALLEST populated state. After BCT is over, I usually see which cadets were charged to which MOC. Reason I have to wait until BCT is over, is because some cadets quit, get hurt, drop out, etc... After BCT, the MOC's are told what slots they have open and available for the next year. But no, it's not publicly available. If you have to know, you can ask your MOC, but if it's not for YOUR APPOINTMENT, then don't be surprised if they say it's not really any of your business.

    but as USNA1985 mentioned, what matters is that your MOC has a slot available for you to apply for. Any you'll know that. If they didn't have a slot open, you wouldn't be able to apply for their nomination.
     
  13. John41057

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    Hi
    One question that came to my mind....If the DS or DD has an LOA and gets a nomination from a MOC with no slots....what happens? Reading these postings just made me want to ask.
    Regards
    John
     
  14. aglages

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    I don't believe that a MOC that doesn't have any available slots remaining can give ANY nominations. In other words; your DS or DD could NOT receive a nom from a MOC that does not have any remaining slots.
     
  15. John41057

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    OK, I see...The MOC knows how many slots they have open at each service academy. So as long as they have at least one slot available, they can nominate up to 10 candidates for that one slot. Thanks for the info......
    Regards
    John
     
  16. John41057

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    MOC Again

    Hi
    Keep coming up with different scenario...Assuming MOC has one slot at service academy. Your DS or DD has LOA. MOC recommends 10 to academy but makes one the Principal plus 9 others. Your DS or DD is not the principle. What does academy do? Possible use one of the commandants? Just fun to exercise all that wonderful knowledge out there.
    Regards
    John
     
  17. Christcorp

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    And people keep forgetting that just because you received an appointment doesn't mean you used your MOC's slate. For instance. The previous question about having an LOA. Your MOC could have 1 open slot; makes a slate of 10 names, you can have an LOA, and 2,3, or even 4 of you on the MOC's slate of 10 names can ALL RECEIVE APPOINTMENTS. But only 1 gets charged to the MOC's slot. All of the people who go to the NATIONAL POOL, (Because they didn't get their MOC's slot), and receive an appointment; even though their nomination was from their MOC, doesn't mean they filled their MOC SLOT. If they got the appointment in the National Pool, then NO SLOTS ARE CHARGED!!! The National Pool is so the academy can choose "AS MANY AS NEEDED TO COMPLETE FILLING OUT THE CLASS". These appointments aren't charged. In theory, a US Representative could have 15 cadets from his/her district at the academy. 5 might be charged to him/her.
     
  18. John41057

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    That was excellently put...I even understood it and can begin to see how all this comes together. Thanks for the education as I find it fascinating to see how it all works out each year. I do not envy the jobs of the people at the academy who have to make this work each year while also keeping the numbers where they need to be due to cutbacks.
    Regards
    John
     
  19. Soccer Guy

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    NWL Question

    Do those on the NWL receive their appointments much later those who receive their appointment with an MOC nomination? For instance, in my case someone from my district has already received an appointment, and assuming they accepted the appointment immediately, how long would it be before the board would possibly send me an appointment from the NWL? And assuming I'm fully qualified, when will I be notified that I am on the NWL.
     
  20. burnerafter16

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    Work with a CAP squadron with many interested kids.
    Question came up and wasn't certain so-
    thanks to all who took the time to explain.
     

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