Most Diverse Service Academy?

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  1. Crossingmyfinger

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    I just wanted to know out of all the Service Academies which one is the most diverse in terms of student ethnicity and culture? Also which one of the five is the most liberal. Actual status are appreciated, Thank you!
     
  2. Aglahad

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    Is this for a school project or something?

    Diversity? Most of the academies tend to be 70%+ white. They aren't exactly bastions of diversity like an East Coast liberal arts school.

    Liberal service academy? Haha considering military academies are about the most disciplined and traditional educational institutions in the US as well as closely linked to the DoD I would say none fit that title. They aren't the most conservative, considering places like BJU, BYU and LU, but they are no where near liberal.
     
  3. fritz

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    Thank God for not being too liberal, theres enough of that disease already alive and well. :biggrin:

    Through all the discussions about diversity, I'd say the SA's do a pretty good job.
     
  4. 3QConcerns

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    Disease? Seriously?
     
  5. sweettooth

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    Hello Crossingmyfinger, Contrary to Agladhad's assertion, I would submit to you that all the service academies are more diverse than the typical liberal arts college in some areas and less in others.
    Geographically: Take a look at this interactive map complied by the Chronicle of higher education:
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    http://chronicle.com/article/Interactive-Freshman-Class/129547/#id=197036
    As you know there is a geographic diversity built into the selection process due to the congressional nomination selection. With this map you can search by college name and then click the play function to see where students came from over the last 10 years
    Income: Addtionally, the service academies draw from a more diverse income group than the typical LAC. There are no financial barriers to entry to the service academies. It is true that highly endowed private universities and LAC can meet the financial needs of their students without the use of loans but the vast majority of schools rely on students incurring substantial student loans to attend.
    Students from non traditional education backgrounds (older students) The service academies make a huge effort to attract prior service candidates. This brings into our academies cadets with non-traditional backgrounds a group totally unrepresented in the LAC student body.
    Racially Below are the freshman student profiles from the College Board of each service academy. All 3 service academies are about 19% black and Hispanic. Here is a sample of some top Liberal arts colleges freshman statistics of the percentage of black and hispanic enrollment, asian enrollment and enrollment of women. I omitted students who are of more than one race as I wasn't sure if they were already represented in the totals below..
    Amherst College 24%, 11% asian, 51% women
    Bard College 5%, 3% asian, 60% women
    Bates College 10%, 4% asian, 52%women
    Colgate College 12%, 3%asian, 53% women
    Connecticut College 11%, 3% asian, 61% women
    Davidson College 12%, 4% asian, 50% women
    Harvey Mudd 8%, 19% asian, 42% women
    Kenyon College 7%, 8% asian, 56% women
    Macalester College 10%, 6% asian, 60% women
    Pomona College 21%, 10% asian, 52% women
    Skidmore College 11%, 6% asian, 57% women
    Swarthmore College 22%, 13% asian, 52% women
    Vassar College 17%, 9%,55% women
    Wellesley College 12%, 23% asian, 100% women
    Wesleyan College 19%, 10%, 50%
    Williams College 20%, 10% asian, 51% women

    USMA:
    Student Body
    1st-year students:

    7% In-state students
    93% Out-of-state students
    16% Women
    84% Men
    1% American Indian or Alaska Native
    5% Asian
    9% Black or African American
    10% Hispanic/Latino
    1% Native Hawaiian/Pacific Islander
    68% White
    4% Two or more races
    1% Non-Resident Alien
    48% in top 10th of graduating class
    75% in top quarter of graduating class
    96% in top half of graduating class

    USNA:
    1st-year students:

    7% In-state students
    93% Out-of-state students
    19% Women
    81% Men
    1% American Indian or Alaska Native
    6% Asian
    8% Black or African American
    11% Hispanic/Latino
    1% Native Hawaiian/Pacific Islander
    65% White
    7% Two or more races
    1% Non-Resident Alien
    52% in top 10th of graduating class
    79% in top quarter of graduating class
    94% in top half of graduating class

    USAFA:
    1st-year students:

    7% In-state students
    93% Out-of-state students
    22% Women
    78% Men
    1% American Indian or Alaska Native
    7% Asian
    9% Black or African American
    10% Hispanic/Latino
    2% Native Hawaiian/Pacific Islander
    67% White
    1% Non-Resident Alien
    55% in top 10th of graduating class
    80% in top quarter of graduating class
    97% in top half of graduating class
    79% had h.s. GPA of 3.75 and higher
    12% had h.s. GPA between 3.5 and 3.74
    8% had h.s. GPA between 3.25 and 3.49
    1% had h.s. GPA between 3.0 and 3.24

    Male/Female percentages this is where the service academies are very different from typical state universities. USAFA 22%, USNA 19%, USMA 16%
    Political Affliation This is not reported however the academies skew to the right. They definitely could use more liberals to mix things up a bit.
    Religious Affiliation I know this is available but I couldn't find it.

    Hope this helps!
     
  6. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    "All three service academies"....

    I will now file this post next to worthless and ill-informed. :rolleyes:
     
  7. sweettooth

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    Sorry about that!

    USCGA 20% black and hispanic, 33% women

    1st-year students:

    4% In-state students
    96% Out-of-state students
    33% Women
    67% Men
    1% American Indian or Alaska Native
    5% Asian
    5% Black or African American
    15% Hispanic/Latino
    <1% Native Hawaiian/Pacific Islander
    64% White
    6% Two or more races
    2% Non-Resident Alien
    52% in top 10th of graduating class
    85% in top quarter of graduating class
    99% in top half of graduating class
    56% had h.s. GPA of 3.75 and higher
    24% had h.s. GPA between 3.5 and 3.74
    13% had h.s. GPA between 3.25 and 3.49
    5% had h.s. GPA between 3.0 and 3.24
    2% had h.s. GPA between 2.5 and 2.99

    USMMA 10% black and hispanic, 15% women

    1st-year students:

    11% In-state students
    89% Out-of-state students
    15% Women
    85% Men
    1% American Indian or Alaska Native
    6% Asian
    2% Black or African American
    8% Hispanic/Latino
    82% White
    1% Non-Resident Alien
    24% in top 10th of graduating class
    62% in top quarter of graduating class
    92% in top half of graduating class
     
  8. AF6872

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    Since I live In Connecticut I know about USCGA. Wish they had their own hockey rink although the "Camel Rink" isn't bad. One of the best along with USMMA and the Maritime Academy's that are not really recognized. Tried to get my Son to apply USCGA big time but he didn't want to be that close to home? Maine Maritime was too far away? But Mass was just right? Sort of like the Three Bears. Ill- informed is an understatement. Statistics, statistics, statistics, statistics. God save us from statistitions. Wait till they try the real world.
     
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  9. Pima

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    I see where Aglahad was coming from in their post regarding liberal. Do you expect the majority of military officers to say the DOD does not deserve military hardware if it comes to that and the current hot topic of birth control if it comes down to pennies?

    What is liberal to you? I am socially liberal, my friends are too. I believe that a woman has the right to have an abortion. I believe homosexuals have the right to serve and be married. Neither has an impact on the DOD budget or their mission.

    However, if liberal means placing into your perspective the "right" war than we enter a new sphere. There is no such thing as a "right" war. I have yet to hear anyone in this world find one. Placing qualifiers on this issue is typically a liberal perspective, thus why R's are called Hawks.


    Diversity issue is BS.

    The person I admire the most, and I think everyone here would agree throws your fear into the circular filing cabinet.

    General Colin Powell

    ~~~ African American
    ~~~ AROTC Commission
    ~~~ Low Income family

    This man is the epitome of why the military is great. Think about it 1958 he was commissioned as an officer as a self proclaimed C student with a geology major from a no-name college in an era that diversity was not an issue until after he retired.
     
  10. Pima

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    I see where Aglahad was coming from in their post regarding liberal. Do you expect the majority of military officers to say the DOD does not deserve military hardware if it comes to that and the current hot topic of birth control when it comes down to counting pennies?

    What is liberal to you? I am socially liberal, my friends are too. I believe that a woman has the right to have an abortion. I believe homosexuals have the right to serve and be married. Neither has an impact on the DOD budget or their mission.

    However, if liberal means placing into your perspective the "right" war than we enter a new sphere. There is no such thing as a "right" war. I have yet to hear anyone in this world find one. Placing qualifiers on this issue is typically a liberal perspective, thus why R's are called Hawks.


    Diversity issue is BS.

    The person I admire the most, and I think everyone here would agree throws your fear into the circular filing cabinet.

    General Colin Powell

    ~~~ African American
    ~~~ AROTC Commission
    ~~~ Low Income family

    This man is the epitome of why the military is great. Think about it; 1958 he was commissioned as an officer as a self proclaimed C student with a geology major from a no-name college in an era that diversity was not an issue until after he retired.
     
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  11. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    You have restored my faith in information online! :thumb:
     
  12. fritz

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    Thank God for not being too liberal, theres enough of that disease already alive and well.

    Through all the discussions about diversity, I'd say the SA's do a pretty good job.

    Disease? Seriously?

    I'm not sure what you would call it when 49.5 % of the population pay 0 taxes and folks are allowed to stay on welfare and housing for generations without a goal to get off, but if it's not a disease, then ok, it's madness.
    BTW, don't shoot the messenger, Aglahad brought it up.

    "Diversity? Most of the academies tend to be 70%+ white. The 2012 US census profile list the population as 68% white, me thinks thats pretty close, don't you? They aren't exactly bastions of diversity like an East Coast liberal arts school.

    Liberal service academy? Haha considering military academies are about the most disciplined and traditional educational institutions in the US as well as closely linked to the DoD I would say none fit that title. They aren't the most conservative, considering places like BJU, BYU and LU, but they are no where near liberal."

    I do however stand by my belief that the SA do a pretty good job of diversity.
     
  13. sweettooth

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    Fritz
    I think you are right that the service academies do a good job of diversity. However this forum is to share information and support cadet candidates. It is not a political forum. Per the Service Academy General Posting Rules "- The purpose of this site is not to discuss politics. Political discussions should be limited in context and scope, and our nation's elected officials respected at all times."
     
  14. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    There are forums for political discourse, and I really like them.

    I agree, in general, as far as schools go, service academies are much more conservative than their non-military counter-parts. That said, there are liberal members of the military too. Some of my good friends were... and I am further right. At some point, fairly early, we just accepted that, and had fun with it (even if they were always wrong :wink:)
     
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    I generally vote Democratic and I think of myself as a moderate -- "liberal" on social issues but pretty fiscally conservative. I wasn't particularly political at USNA but would speak out in support of my beliefs if it came up -- for example, I have a sister who is in the military and people knew after a while not to make knee-jerk "all military chicks suck" comments around me. I was toward the more liberal side of the spectrum at USNA but that was okay -- we are all playing for the same team and I also have little patience for those who act like the military is evil or any "big corporation" is bad by definition. (I like a little gray in my life, even if I didn't go to West Point.)

    I've deployed in a place where many would consider supposedly "liberal" ideas like equal opportunities for women or separation of Church and State a "disease." I've seen some lefty non-profit types show amazing physical courage. All of this made some of my guys (and me too) think twice of sticking easy labels (political or otherwise) on people or groups.
     
  16. fritz

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    I completely agree. Please keep in mind however, I was only responding to:

    Aglahad and 3qconcerns, merely making a counter point and or clarification that was first posted by them.

    Thank you, Fritz out :smile:
     
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    Roger, Fritz, I probably jumped on the soapbox too soon and too enthusiastically. Good luck to your youngster in the appointment process, we can always use more well-armed Red Sox fans!
     
  18. Aglahad

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    Service academies are still no where close to gender equality and are majority white. Nothing I said conflicts with the stats represented, all in all most service academies are ~70% white. My East Coast comment was focused towards their crazy recruitment efforts towards getting minorities.

    Anyways why does diversity matter so much? I have spent four years of college where it's shoved in my face everyday without any rational reasoning from admin or profs.
     
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    WADR (couldnt resist), Pima, City College of New York was by no means a no-name college. It was the first free public college in the country. In the early 1950s, when New York City was arguably the capital of basketball, CCNY became the only school to win the NIT and the then much less prestigious NCAA basketball titles in the same year. (The school's name was unfortunately further enhanced the following year when seven members of the basketball team were found to be involved in point-shaving). Further, CCNY has nine Nobel laureates among its alumni, the greatest number of any public university.

    Regarding the term "liberal" I favor Robert Frost's definition: "A liberal is a man too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel." The Michael Savage stuff about liberalism being a mental disorder is polemical, dog-whistle blather.
     
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    Woo CUNY!

    Thanks for that comment. CCNY and CUNY in general is climbing back to the status it once had. CCNY is one of the best public engineering schools in the country! Furthermore, in the past 8 years, we have had 4 Rhodes Scholars, 7 Goldwater Scholars, and 7 Truman Scholars.
     

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