Multiple MOC nominations

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  1. gisginy

    gisginy New Member

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    Hello,

    I was just wondering if anyone knows if MOC offices communicate with each other over interviewees. If an applicant gets an interview with one senator, are they less likely to get an interview with the other senator to increase the total number of students interviewed state-wide (regardless of how strong their file is)? My state is decently competitive.

    Thank you.
     
  2. kinnem

    kinnem Moderator

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    It depends entirely on the MOC offices involved. There is no way to answer this, certainly not without congressional and state info. Virginia Senators generally coordinate. Cannot speak to the rest of the country.
     
  3. Sledge

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    For additional reference, in Texas, my son received a nomination from his Rep and Senator Cruz. Letter from Senator Cornyn said something to the effect of, "I see that you have received a nomination from Senator Cruz, so I am not nominating you to maximize the number of Texans nominated."

    So the Senators talk in Texas, like they do in Virginia as kinnem posted. I was really surprised that the nomination from the Rep, which came very early, did not preclude the later nomination from Cruz. It was Cruz's first year to nominate though, so that may have played a factor.
     
  4. fencersmother

    fencersmother Founding Member

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    In my congressional district (and one presumes in all in my state), they share the wealth!

    Remember: it matters not, to ANYONE, whether your nom comes from a senator, a congressman, the VP.... no one cares. Just get the nom.
     
  5. MemberLG

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    Disagree as to it does matter where a candidate gets his or her nomination in certain situations. Getting only a senatorial nomination means you only compete within that pool. Typically, senatorial nominees are the top candidates in the state. So top two candidates in a congressional district are nominated by a senator, they will be excluded from the congressional nomination if the Congressman has no double nomination policy. If so #3 kid in the Congressional disrtict becomes #1 and wins the appointment even though he or she is not the best candidate. if #1 kid gets the senatorial appointment, #2 kid will be out of luck.
     
  6. tug_boat

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    Simply stated, sometimes. Just depends on your area. Does it really matter to you? Nope. Just because you collect all the marbles doesn't solidify an appointment.

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  7. fencersmother

    fencersmother Founding Member

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    I just meant that no one on I-Day will care if you got your nom from a senator or from your lowly congressional rep.

    Just GET the NOM.
     
  8. MemberLG

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    There is a reason why some Regional Commanders at West Point does not like SAF. We have to remember that some of us are very familiar with the admissions process. So I understand what "JUST GET the NOM" means, but we are not doing right by some uninformed candidates if we don't provide additional information about the nomination and appiontment. I have ran into many candidates that told me that they thought they just needed one nomination.
     
  9. fifi5

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    What would be the certain situations? If this is the case wouldn't it be better to get a congressional nomination? Because the top 2 kids went to the senators so now there are #1 kids all over the state in the their district. What if a congressman doesn't rate?
     
  10. ACTPrepAcademy

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    I helped a candidate who had three noms to Navy, 1 to USMA and 1 to USAFA.

    Congressperson nominated candidate to all three academies.

    This candidate was not appointed to USNA, but was admitted to the other two and the USCGA. The candidate is at USMA now.

    One nom is all you need.
     
  11. MemberLG

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    The case I mentioned was what really happened with some details modified. Yes, if the candidate's Congressman has no double nomination policy, I generally recommend to candidates to not apply for senatorial nomination. The Congressman's rating is irrelevent as West Point's rating matters. So a candidate could be ranked #1 by the Congressman, but unless the Congressman gives the #1 candidate a principal nomination whoever is ranked #1 and fully qualified by West Point gets the appointment for that nominatio category.

    It goes down to allowing a candidate to recieve multiple nominations to send most qualified, based on each SAs evaluation, candidates to SA or having more candidates recieve nomination. I would argue that more candidates with nomination from a state doesn't increase number of appointments from the same state.
     
  12. MemberLG

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    If one nom was needed your candidate, your candidate would not have gotten an appointment. What if your candiate got only nomination to Navy?
     
  13. ACTPrepAcademy

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    Member LG, I am not sure what you are trying to say.

    My point was that three noms did not guarantee Navy for this candidate. It was the noms from the Congressperson that allowed the candidate to be appointed to USMA and USAFA.
     
  14. VelveteenR

    VelveteenR Just gathering dust in the nursery...

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    Arizona MOCs talk as well. DS had six noms. Letter from junior senator indicated he was not going to waste another nom on DS in order to spread the wealth.
     
  15. Padre101

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    Velveteen R,

    Can you give us a breakdown of the 6 nominations? Just curious.
     
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    VelveteenR Just gathering dust in the nursery...

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    Between our congressman and our senior Senator, DS received six nominations across USNA, USMA, and USMMA (which he didn't apply to).
     
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  17. Padre101

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    Ok, Roger That.
     
  18. VelveteenR

    VelveteenR Just gathering dust in the nursery...

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    @gisginy: FWIW, here is an example of the letter DS received from our junior Senator that clearly indicates that our MOCs confer:

    Not sure how kiddo received multiple noms to the same academies if the policy is “to avoid nominating an applicant twice to the same academy,” especially as we live in the most competitive district. In any case, this letter is an example that, in some states at least, MOCs coordinate nominations and that only one nomination is required to receive an appointment.

    Also, our son interviewed with our congressman's and both Senator's nomination panels, so it is entirely possible to receive multiple interview slots.

    I don't know how competitive Arizona is compared to other states.
     
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  19. FalconsRock

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    VelveteenR, if you don't mind, what district are you in?

    Also, do the MOC wait until all interviews are done for one MOC before proceeding to the next? In other words, my DD has an interview with #1 senator on November 14th, but has not heard from #2 senator nor district representative. Does #2 and the representative wait to schedule their interviews pending the outcome of interviews with senator #1?
     
  20. VelveteenR

    VelveteenR Just gathering dust in the nursery...

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    We are in the 6th district (includes Scottsdale). Our son interviewed with our congressman's panel on 10/15/2014 and got his reply on 11/24. He interviewed with our senior Senator's panel on 11/15 and heard back on 12/12. Finally, he interviewed with our junior Senator's panel on 11/22 and was notified on 12/24 with the letter that I quoted in part above.
     

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