NAPS appointments

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  1. USNAhopeful88

    USNAhopeful88 Member

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    This question is out of pure curiosity but do NAPS appointments get slated to a member of congress?


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  2. bubalma

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    No - SECNAV after successful completion of NAPS.
     
  3. NavyHoops

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    A Midshipman Candidate is eligible for all noms they would have before and also the SecNav nomination. They are technically members of the Navy Reserve when they go to NAPS. I believe they can use quite a few of those for those who complete NAPS successfully. I think SecNav can be charged up to 150 Noms for prior enlisted (includes NAPS due to Navy Reserve). Yes they can be charged to a MOC or any other eligible Nom source they applied and are qualified for. If I am off on the SecNav number someone please correct! Thanks!
     
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    Well we cross posted... With opposite answers. Hopefully a BGO clarifies.
     
  5. USNAhopeful88

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    How many of the NAPS students get into the academy and what do the rest do?


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  6. Capt MJ

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    "The rest" consider their Plan B. In most cases, active duty enlisted go back to their service to complete their obligation.
     
  7. activedutymom

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    My DS is at NAPS. All of them were required to apply for any nomination they were eligible for , including priors. Since there are about 250 of them, many will be charged to the MOC. They seem to save the Sec Navy noms for those who didn't receive a nom from another route (some MOCs refuse to nominate a NAPS student). There's another recent thread that has more details on this. During the parent weekend presentation, it was explained that as long as they maintained the minimum gpa for graduation requirements, then their file will be reviewed and they will receive an appointment. Seems like those that are struggling tend to drop out before that time.
     
  8. cheers

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    My Napster did apply for and receive a nomination from our Congressman. However, he was never told who his appointment was charged to (Congressman or SECNAV). This was several years ago but then they were expected to apply to all sources of nominations and not just rely on the SECNAV.
     
  9. usnabgo08

    usnabgo08 USNA 2008/BGO

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    SECNAV (may appoint up to, but not over, the number shown):
    -85 Reserves (all NAPSters eligible, less those already on active duty)
    -85 Active Duty (active duty and active duty NAPSters only)
    -20 NROTC and DoA, DoAF, DoN honor schools
    -150 in order of merit from qualified alternates from Congressmen/Senators (i.e. "national pool")
     
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    So the Class of 2018 stats show 358 Noms from SecNav vs 340 if you sum the numbers you quoted. Any thoughts on the discrepancy?
     
  11. usnabgo08

    usnabgo08 USNA 2008/BGO

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    There is no discrepancy that I can tell of. The SECNAV can have 340 appointments charged to him/her...he could nominate more, which is way I think you see 358. It doesn't mean all 358 are at USNA. This is where understanding appointment vs. nomination can get confusing.

    In the same law, it is written the MOCs can have 5 appointees at USNA and each vacancy can have 10 candidates. So, in the cases where there are 2 openings for a MOC, that means he/she could "nominate" (term used very loosely) up to 20 candidates BUT only have 2 candidates appointed/charged to him/her. So that means that SECNAV could nominate 500 (random number) individuals, but only 340 can be appointed/charged to SECNAV.
     
  12. JShawshank

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    I don't quite see what category of candidates would have more noms than appts for secnav given that there is no application process for secnav nom. NAPS school year isn't over until May and only those who don't have other nom source would go to secnav - why would appointments and noms be different? Candidates taken off of the national wait list go to secnav but if they are not selected off of NwL then why would they get a secnav nom? I'm just curious and it may be a 'black box' answer. Just seems to me that anyone who would be getting a secnav nom would only be doing so bc they are going to be given an appointment. If more noms are give from secnav than appointments, who is choosing the nominees? Seems like that would be waste of resources.
     
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    Active duty can get a Sec Navy nom but not be qualified for an Appointment. Could account for the difference. They pretty much get the Sec Navy nom if they complete the app and get their CO to sign off.
     
  14. usnabgo08

    usnabgo08 USNA 2008/BGO

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    You are absolutely right for the national pool. The law specifically says that the SECNAV can have 150 candidates by order of merit from qualified alternates. By that definition, only those 150 candidates can be charged to the SECNAV, no one can apply for this nomination category (even though these 150 candidates had to be on a MOC slate) and no one knows who these 150 will be.

    And to be honest, I am not sure how USNA reports the number on the class profile for SECNAV. I see ROTC/JROTC was broken out and not under SECNAV.
    If the same logic is applied to Presidential nominations, then that category should only be 100 (there really isn't an application process for this...if a candidate qualifies, they qualify) -- since that is how many can be charged to the President. You will notice the class profile says 817.
     

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