NASS & Acceptance?

Two things, according to USNA. First, states that typically send very few candidates to USNA. These include the "five sisters" -- WY, ND, SD, ID, MT. There may be a handful of others. There aren't a lot of people in these states and, b/c they're landlocked and far from USNA, many students in these states have never even heard of USNA. The hope is that, by sending kids from these states to NASS, they may be inspired to apply or they'll go back to their schools and neighborhoods and inspire others to look into USNA.

Second, certain congressional districts where there have been zero applicants to USNA. Apparently, there were 37 of these in 2008. Some of these are in inner cities -- but not all. The view is that there are great students who are attending magnet schools and being wooed by Ivy League colleges, etc. but who don't know about USNA (see above -- same rationale).

Because NASS is a RECRUITING TOOL, it is true that folks who fall into the above categories might well be given the nod over a "more qualified" candidate from, say, Annapolis. It may or may not be fair, but that's the approach USNA is taking -- using NASS to get the word out about USNA and attract more candidates from diverse geographic areas.

This is why you should NOT read too much into an NASS turndown. As many of us have posted over & over, not getting into NASS does NOT mean you aren't a strong candidate for USNA.

Okay. So I live in California, in a town of about 3500 people. However I am in the 45th congressional district, and I really have no idea how many people apply to USNA from there each year. That being said, 3 people from my school went to seminars last year. Two to USAFA and one to USMA. One of those has been accepted to USAFA, one to both USAFA and USMA, and one to USAFA and USCGA. Sorry if I lost you there on the last one. But would something like that be considered under represented?
 
I wouldn't expect seminar attendance or appointments to other SAs to have an impact on representation levels as seen by USNA.
 
My twin sons have applied for NASS but, are undecided about attending if accepted.
I have encouraged them to attend if only as a part of the whole college application experience.

Regarding NASS: My daughter has now participated in NASS both as a participant and as a squad leader. In 2007, her NASS participation convinced her that USNA was the only place she wanted to be. At the time, she thought the "mini Sea Trials" day, was the hardest thing she'd ever done, but the teamwork and esprit de corps that built up over the 5 days made it all worth doing. She really enjoyed several of the academic sessions, others not so much. USNA1985 said it best: if you DON'T enjoy NASS USNA is not the right place for you.

If your sons aren't all that interested in attending NASS & applying to USNA, I would urge them not to apply/attend. There are other ways to experience "the whole college application experience" that don't prevent other, more highly motivated candidates from participating.

If they attend I would expect the academy to be supportive and encouraging as well.

From the follow on posts, your comment here seems to refer to USNA's support of current Mids. I can tell you that without doubt, 4 years at USNA is very hard work. However, support is there for anyone who seeks it. Academically, classes are mostly very small. There are writing and math labs where Mids can seek help. Professors will readily give EI "Extra instruction." There is a Midshipman Group Study Program, where upperclassmen hold organized tutoring sessions. There are informal study sessions within companies.

From a non-academic standpoint, Plebe year is hard. It is meant to be hard. However, there are still ways for even Plebes to relax a bit. The Mids I know have all found ECAs (sports, glee club) that provide some relaxation and down time. The Plebe Sponsor parent program provides another emotional support system. Even if the official sponsor parents aren't a good match for a Plebe, they usually end up being unofficially "adopted" by classmates' sponsors. Roommates and other classmates support each other, too. There are also USNA chaplains on hand.

The current "Dant" or Commandant of Midshipmen, CAPT Klunder, has been incredibly supportive of the Classes of 2012 and 2013 through their Plebe years. I was amazed to see him during a Plebe Summer morning workout, down on the ground, doing pushups alongside a struggling Plebe, calling encouragement all the while.

All that being said, making it through USNA is very hard work, and it's not for everyone. If your sons want it, they'll take charge of their own application process. Follow their lead. Every year, a few people make it all the way through the application process and into Plebe summer only because they thought their parents wanted them to go to there. Even those who really want to earn that appointment will have times of doubt, but those who are there for any reason other than their own desire are probably not going to make it.
 
2012mon,

I appreciate your comments and I suspected the support you describe at the academy is the norm.
I believe my sons will attend NASS if offered, beyond that, who knows?

"Motivation" is a difficult quality to assess. My sons are not "highly motivated" as many/most of those are seeking entrance. On the plus side, IMO, they aren't easily upset and are very level-headed. They have a long "fuse", above average academically and physically but, not stand-outs.

In reading about candidates, it would seem they have no chance at an appointment because they aren't class presidents, sports team captains or working 20 hours per week in a soup kitchen.
Fortunately, they seem to have mostly their mothers qualities, not mine!
 
We thought that too ... our son played 3 varsity sports, did scouts, had a decent GPA with ap and honors classes ... but was not in student gov't or have some of the resume items that seemingly "perfect" applicants post here... yet he was selected ... and is more than half way through plebe year ... our BGO says teamwork is important ... leadership potentital ... and the ability to persevere ... shown through sticking with things even when they are tough ... He did research and initiate the USNA process ... as well as NROTC (full scholarship) ... He did all the work ... it's a great place for him, he thrives on structure ... and he keeps his eye on the "prize" ... the next three years, then, he hopes, flight ...
 
MJO MOM-- Congrats to your son!! Hope he is weathering Phlebe year well...(no punn intended with all the snow they have had!! LOL!!) I bet you are so proud of him...no doubt it is NOT the easy path, but for those who whole heartedly pursue it...the most rewarding career path!! KUDOS to you...and HIM!!

I am hoping to be in your shoes this time next year...son is still waiting to hear of appointment/or (lack of appointment) from USNA!:smile:
 
I wish you ... and your son ... all the good thoughts that might help this come true! When my big guy didn't get Air Force (he was nominated to both) he felt there was no way he'd get Navy ... we scrambled for options ... he had been accepted serveral places, but not the right fit. Several choices came up ... along with the $$$ to back him up ... I started praying for the RIGHT thing to happen ... whether it was USNA or another school ... then Navy came through ... and it is the right choice for him! We're thankful for that, but several other schools could have turned into the right choice too ... keep your options open, have a good plan B ... and the RIGHT thing will happen for your son!
 
Attending NASS does not lock the participants into an offer of appointment! Non-selection does not lock a candidate out of an appointment.

Participants should be aware, however, that while they are evaluating USNA during NASS, the midshipmen are observing them in turn. A few years back I had a candidate who looked great on paper (1500+ SATs) but he wasn't moving. When I contacted the RD in this regard I was advised that the candidate had copped several attitudes during NASS and wouldn't be considered for an offer.
 
We were also told the same, an officer came to our home from Annapolis to meet our son in early Fall...(NOT our BGO, this was a 2nd Lieutenant from the naval Academy)-had sons entire application in hand...said our son was evaluated well by his NASS charge person...surprised my son- as he did not realize they were being evaluated...also...attending the NASS was a boost as he was able to complete his CFA while there...helping him complete his enire application early...he was completely submitted by Sept....(with the exception of his noms of course,,,those were on his CIS mid December) I really encourage anyone who is the least bit interested in the Naval Academy to apply for the NASS...son loved it and further fueled his desire to attend...
 
My twin sons have applied for NASS but, are undecided about attending if accepted.
I have encouraged them to attend if only as a part of the whole college application experience.
If they attend I would expect the academy to be supportive and encouraging as well.
Does the NASS impact at all the acceptance process should they decide to seek appointments?

I currently have twins who are Plebes. Both were invited to NASS. One went - the other did not. The one who didn't go said, "You can just tell me what it was like."

Quite frankly, the one that went didn't like it. Mostly, he didn't like the overtly and somewhat contrived gung-ho attitudes of many of the attendees. Also, many of the attendees are NASS groupies - in other words, they attend the summer seminars of all the other academies. Some of them have already made up their mind and spend a lot of time being critical of the Naval Academy.

"This really sucks! The Air Force Academy is much better."

Who wants to hear that when you are thinking of attending the Naval Academy?

Be prepared to do the CFA ... and it counts!

When all was said and done, once they got to the academy, the one who went to NASS didn't do any better or adapt any faster than the son who did not attend.
 
Attending NASS does not lock the participants into an offer of appointment! Non-selection does not lock a candidate out of an appointment.

Participants should be aware, however, that while they are evaluating USNA during NASS, the midshipmen are observing them in turn. A few years back I had a candidate who looked great on paper (1500+ SATs) but he wasn't moving. When I contacted the RD in this regard I was advised that the candidate had copped several attitudes during NASS and wouldn't be considered for an offer.
I understand no guarantees, either way. My sons don't have "attitudes", I just don't really know if the Academy is that important to them, I definitely think NASS will help guide them in the right direction.
Hell, I'm intimidated by the top-notch candidates described here, the best of the best. I don't perceive my sons through "rose-colored glasses" so, we'll see if they are accepted to NASS.
 
I understand no guarantees, either way. My sons don't have "attitudes", I just don't really know if the Academy is that important to them, I definitely think NASS will help guide them in the right direction.
Hell, I'm intimidated by the top-notch candidates described here, the best of the best. I don't perceive my sons through "rose-colored glasses" so, we'll see if they are accepted to NASS.

I really hope if they get the chance to go to the NASS, that they do...it really will help them decide where to apply from there, my son's friend went the week after my son...HATED the structure, was not for him, so he made his choice NOT to apply, and he is very content with his decision. Best of luck to your sons...hoping the best for all!! :smile:
 
Some of them have already made up their mind and spend a lot of time being critical of the Naval Academy.

"This really sucks! The Air Force Academy is much better."

Who wants to hear that when you are thinking of attending the Naval Academy?

Interesting - my son was one of those "groupies" who attended 3 of the seminars in a row and had his mind made up on AF since he's been about 8. Attending NASS first came very, very close to changing his mind and he spent the next two weeks of seminars (and the month after he came home) talking about how much better NASS was than either of the other two seminars (particulary WP's where he got that "This place sucks" attitude not only from other candidates, but even from a lot of the cadets! :eek: ). It took a lot of research on his part and a lot of tough decision making to determine that he still wanted AF, no matter how great NASS was!! (And he just declined his Navy appointment yesterday. :frown: ).
 
I currently have twins who are Plebes. Both were invited to NASS. One went - the other did not. The one who didn't go said, "You can just tell me what it was like."

Quite frankly, the one that went didn't like it. Mostly, he didn't like the overtly and somewhat contrived gung-ho attitudes of many of the attendees. Also, many of the attendees are NASS groupies - in other words, they attend the summer seminars of all the other academies. Some of them have already made up their mind and spend a lot of time being critical of the Naval Academy.

"This really sucks! The Air Force Academy is much better."

Who wants to hear that when you are thinking of attending the Naval Academy?

Be prepared to do the CFA ... and it counts!

When all was said and done, once they got to the academy, the one who went to NASS didn't do any better or adapt any faster than the son who did not attend.
Memphis,
Those twins are hilarious and sound much like my sons! "You go and tell me about it"!
I wouldn't expect a problem with CFA's, they have very strenuous baseball workouts from January on, so they'll be in top physical condition.
No groupies either, it's Navy only, although one seems more interested in a smaller group called muhreens.
You never really know about kids, they surprised me when they suddenly had to wear dress uniforms at Catholic HS, not one complaint!
 
Yes, you take the CFA and yes it counts. However, if you don't do as well as you'd like, there are many months for you to retake and improve your scores. That said, you don't want to be in such bad shape at NASS that you stand out as being unable to carry your load in team events.

For those thinking of attending NASS, it's only February. You have nearly 5 months to improve your physical fitness. Doing so will make NASS much more enjoyable.
 
Yes, you take the CFA and yes it counts. However, if you don't do as well as you'd like, there are many months for you to retake and improve your scores. That said, you don't want to be in such bad shape at NASS that you stand out as being unable to carry your load in team events.

For those thinking of attending NASS, it's only February. You have nearly 5 months to improve your physical fitness. Doing so will make NASS much more enjoyable.
Barring injury, my sons will be in top physical shape in June. More incentive is missing a week of "mop-up" school to attend NASS!

This is a pretty remarkable forum, the people who contribute"unofficially" and share their experiences. Plus the encouragement speaks volumes about the Naval Academy and those associated with it.
 
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Shouldn't offers be coming out any minute now? I've discussed attending, if offered, with my sons and they seem more interested. I am concerned about final exams/regents conflicts though since the week offered appears inflexible.
 
Last year March 5th or 6th was the first anyone on the boards heard. I have seen people say that they're further behind this year due to weather issues and record numbers of applications for the class of 2014 (which is of course the priority right now!). We're still hoping for next week maybe!
 
I currently have twins who are Plebes. Both were invited to NASS. One went - the other did not. The one who didn't go said, "You can just tell me what it was like."

Quite frankly, the one that went didn't like it. Mostly, he didn't like the overtly and somewhat contrived gung-ho attitudes of many of the attendees. Also, many of the attendees are NASS groupies - in other words, they attend the summer seminars of all the other academies. Some of them have already made up their mind and spend a lot of time being critical of the Naval Academy.

"This really sucks! The Air Force Academy is much better."

Who wants to hear that when you are thinking of attending the Naval Academy?

Be prepared to do the CFA ... and it counts!

When all was said and done, once they got to the academy, the one who went to NASS didn't do any better or adapt any faster than the son who did not attend.

In another thread, it was mentioned brothers being accepted to NASS the same year is unusual, how can this be?
My sons have different strengths, one is academically stronger, the other is athletically stronger.
Are these twins you mentioned comparable to each other?
Thanks
 
Somewhere on here it was mentioned how many sets of twins are in the class of 2013. it is more than just memphis' boys. I believe they are evaluated independently.

I do love what the memphis twins did about NASS. "You go and just tell me about it." Gotta love that efficiency!
 
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