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GOLDFARB1 -

You have represented yourself as a very mature and intelligent young man - your parents should be very proud of you. You are someone to be admired.

I wish you the best of luck during the application process - The Naval Academy would be very fortunate to have someone like you represent them.
God Bless.
 
Just wanted to put in my two cents here, my son applied for NASS but also did not get in. He did not apply to USAFA SS nor USMA SS (not even sure they have them). He received nominations to all 3 and appointments to all three, USNA was his first choice and he is now on his way to be a "Plebe No More". We are in Colorado, so not really sure how they decide who will attend, if I'm correct there are many more applicants by a long shot than there are spots for SS. They can only take so many.

Don't give up, my son just brushed it off and kept plugging away and it paid off.
 
armynavy said:
The dreaded NASS TWE came in the mail today for my son. "Unable to offer a slot but opening the candidate file for admission next year..."

I realize there are many outstanding candidates who are attending NASS and that other factors besides academics, leadership, and physical fitness come in to play, but it is hard to imagine that EVERYONE going to NASS this summer is better qualified than my son.

I hate to be cynical, but I am beginning to think that Naval Academy professor Bruce Fleming was closer to the truth than I originally wanted to believe:

http://www.brucefleming.net/Interviews/wash post 021603.htm

DS won't apply to a school that treats its best applicants this way. It is the Naval Academy's loss.
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I am so sorry your son didn't get accepted and either you or your son can't get over that fact. I would say MY son is just as qualified as your son, as are MANY of the other applicants that got rejected and accepted. WE live in Maryland, which I know that is a strike against since they are trying to get a geographical diversity. My son has been waitlisted for NASS, but I can say even if he had received a rejection he would forge ahead in his pursuit to get a USNA appointment. I also can't believe you would base your opinion on an article written a few years back. Have you ever thought the person writing it holds a grudge or has a warped view???
I hope it's just you who has this view and that your son is mature enough to to think for himself and not base his decision on an article.
As stated in many threads...there a lot in the USNA that DID NOT go to NASS.
 
Got my TWE today. While the news bummed me out quite a bit, I at least still have AFASS. So I will just forge on with the regular application and hope that this time next year I will be getting ready for Plebe Summer. :thumb:
 
Waitlisted or Rejected

Those of you who received letters back from NASS, did you actually get rejected or did you get put on a waiting list?
 
To everyone who thinks that this issue is an old and dead one because the article I referred to is seven years old, please wake up. This issue is not waning it is getting worse.

Listen to the graduates, Naval Academy professors, and officers that are able to talk openly about it.

http://blog.usni.org/2009/07/02/separate-water-fountains/

From the opening paragraph:

"Here’s a question: would you rather be defended by the officer with high all-around predictors (including leadership and athletics in addition to grades and test scores), or low ones? I bet you think I’m joking when I say that at the Unites States Naval Academy, we let in the ones with the low scores and reject the ones with the high. As a taxpayer, I object to that."

Notice the date on that one is just a few months ago.

Or just take your time with some jaw-dropping FOIA data for the class of 2013:

http://cdrsalamander.blogspot.com/2009/11/diversity-thursday_26.html

My son is not easily discouraged. He will compete, but he is smart enough to know that it is not wise to walk into a ring with boxing gloves when his opponent has a handgun; not when his life will someday depend on that opponent being able to fight for him without artificial advantages.

Remember, this behavior on the part of USNA hurts everyone, not just white males. the highly qualified black midshipman or female midshipman is not being served by allowing incompetent midshipmen into the corps.
 
Folks, friendly mod here.

This board is for exchange of info regarding USNA admissions and related topics. I realize that the merits of diversity (be it geographic, ethnic, racial or otherwise) is related to admissions. But it is really a philosophical debate and going back & forth really doesn't help candidates and their families.

If you want to have this debate, take it to the "Off Topic" or other boards on this site that exist for such discussion. Great topic but this isn't the place for it. Fair warning.

As for NASS, USNA publicly states that it is a recruiting tool. Thus, "lesser" qualified candidates from certain geographic regions, MOC districts, or schools may get the nod over a more highly qualified candidate from, say, Annapolis. The goal is to spread the word about USNA not merely provide an experience for the most qualified candidates. We can disagree w/this position but USNA makes no bones about it.

Getting into NASS -- and even doing very well there -- is no guarantee of admission. If you don't believe me, you should talk to some of my candidates this year. Conversely, over 2/3 of each entering class never attended NASS. I know it's disappointing not to be accepted. However, this is not the first time you or your child will be disappointed and, honestly, this decision has little to do with the likelihood that he/she will be admitted to USNA. Thus, it's best to move on.
 
HeyClaire said:
ARMYNAVY -

You are basing this decision on a 7 year old article?
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However, since 2003, the Academy seems to actually have amped up its emphasis on admitting minorities. If anything, the contentions made by Prof. Fleming are even more true TODAY than they were in 2003. The Class of 2013 was the most "diverse" (code for "lots of minorities") than any class in Naval Academy history. And it has been on a steady increase for quite some time leading up to 2013's arrival. The Navy has declared diversity as its "#1 priority" - in a time of war!

I don't think anybody is against fairness and diversity - but I think there is a lot of TRUTH in Prof. Fleming's article.

It doesn't bother me. I don't lose any sleep over it. The Academy can do whatever they want. But let's not pretend the playing field is level.
 
" But let's not pretend the playing field is level."

You are correct; never has been and probably never will be.

A level playing field is just one of the myths in the history of our great country.

It is what it is, I don't lose any sleep over it either.
 
What if all the applicants checked off Hispanic & African American on their applications? That would quickly help the Navy achieve it's #1 priority and eliminate a two track admissions policy.
 
aglages said:
What if all the applicants checked off Hispanic & African American on their applications? That would quickly help the Navy achieve it's #1 priority and eliminate a two track admissions policy.
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Did you not see the mod's post? This thread is not about debating how unfair admissions are. Lets all relax, as long as you make sure you do your best and are highly qualified, you're fine. Like another poster said, the playing field has NEVER been even and never will be; it's just starting to shift sides in a few areas...
 
sturner11 said:
Did you not see the mod's post? This thread is not about debating how unfair admissions are.
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I certainly wasn't "debating how unfair admission are". I was making a creative suggestion for helping the Navy achieve it's #1 goal. You need to work on putting the Navy's needs ahead of your own.:smile:
 
aglages said:
I certainly wasn't "debating how unfair admission are". I was making a creative suggestion for helping the Navy achieve it's #1 goal. You need to work on putting the Navy's needs ahead of your own.:smile:
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Funny. Regardless, that isn't what this thread is about.

(By the way, if your going to try to quote someone, make sure you actually quote them.)
 
Goldfarb, I share HeyClaire's admiration for your attitude.

ArmyNavy, my son was rejected from NASS in a heartbeat. Not only that, USNA wrote, "We usually give NASS applicants a Candidate Number. We're not doing that for you."

He's now a 2/C, top 15% of his class, company leadership position, selected for Plebe Summer cadre/detailer, even a candidate for USNA's very selective graduate school program. What he's not is a quitter. It's mighty easy to blame geography, gender, or race for a disappointment; it's mighty hard to keep pushing toward a difficult goal. As the sainted USNA1985 (and I mean that!) suggests, philosophical arguments belong elsewhere.

I wish your son good luck.

PS - If you read Bruce Fleming's book, "Annapolis August," you may get the same impression I do -- that this is one unhappy man who insists on teaching kids for whom he has little regard at a school that he seems to dislike. One memorable observation of his: Showing his "guns" (biceps) @ the USNA gym is how he gains students' respect. Wouldn't you hope for more?
 
My son was turned down for NASS, and waitlisted for AFSS. He can only attend the third session, but was told there were about 50 people already waiting so he declined the offer, but he appreciated the offer. He smiled at the USNA TWE which advised him to look at the 2013 class "stats" as guidance. He has a 2260 SAT, 4.14 U/W, 3.8 weighted, all the ECs and athletics and will complete a NASA Ames internship this summer in robotics. He also read the forums for the admission/non admission (with particular emphasis on the USNA) of folks this year and learned much. He has a cousin that graduated from USNA and died flying fighters. He said tonight that he will withdraw his application to the USNA even when offered in May. He has decided to apply to the UCs and some of the other engineering schools. When I asked why, he said USNA sent the message (to him) that the school did not really want folks like him to apply and that he believes he is caught up in a numbers game. On the one hand it is too bad but on the other, it is the way things are suppose to be. Good luck to all.
 
cv64 said:
My son was turned down for NASS, and waitlisted for AFSS... He smiled at the USNA TWE which advised him to look at the 2013 class "stats" as guidance. He has a 2260 SAT, 4.14 U/W, 3.8 weighted, all the ECs and athletics and will complete a NASA Ames internship this summer in robotics... He said tonight that he will withdraw his application to the USNA even when offered in May. He has decided to apply to the UCs and some of the other engineering schools. When I asked why, he said USNA sent the message (to him) that the school did not really want folks like him to apply...
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And that, in a nutshell, is what I am talking about.

I would want my son's back to be covered by cv64's son, and I think cv64's son would feel the same about mine. But because the Naval Academy has decided that they want fewer cv64s than the number necessary to ensure the safety of our sons, I will attempt to steer my son in a different direction.
 
I'm quite amazed at the attitude this thread has gained. I get why some people are upset for getting turned down, cuz I'm in the same situation, but really? Attacking the institution?

NASS is different than the actual academy as far as applications go. NASS is just kind of a snapshot of the potential candidate with emphasis on geographic representation and the actual one is much more in depth. As I briefly mentioned before, I just applied for NASS so I could be completely wrong.

I have 32 composite ACT, 1860 super-scored SAT, 3.9 weighted GPA, well into top 7% of my junior class at a really good high school, AFJROTC with fairly high leadership positions, tons of community service, part time job, and then my weak point is only JV Track. I'm also a female. Many people told me they thought I had a good shot but I was turned down. Yeah it bummed me out a little, but instead of turning my nose up and saying, "Well if they don't want someone like me they don't deserve an application," I'm just going to work my butt off on my application and do all I can so that this time next year, I'll hopefully be holding the BFE for the one that really counts. And honestly, that's the only attitude that's gonna gets any of us where we want to go. :thumb:
 
I want C/ 2nd Lt. McKnight to cover my DD's back. Good Luck to you in your application for the class of 2015, we hope to see you in the YARD!

GO NAVY! :tomcat:
 
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