National Pool/TWE

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  1. gonavy2015

    gonavy2015 Member

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    Does anyone know approximately how many candidates are selected from the national pool? Are TWE's mailed out after all the national pool slots are filled?
    Will a TWE either say "no appointment" or "wait list"?
    TIA-
     
  2. usna1985

    usna1985 USNA Alumnus

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    It's hard to say exactly how many come from the national pool. As a good guess, you take the 535 MOCs and multiply by 1.2 (given that some will have 2 slots in a given year). Thats roughly 650. Add another 100 for Presidential. That's rougly 750. There are a few other sources of noms (ROTC, etc.). Given the ~1300 offers of appointment, that leaves quite a few.

    However, complicating the situation are the following factors:

    -- NAPS and Foundation -- they must apply for noms but, if they don't receive one, they are still generally guaranteed an appointment if they meet certain requirements

    -- Some MOC slots go unfilled

    And probably others that I'm forgetting.

    USNA tries to notify everyone by April 15 that they: (1) have been offered an appointment, (2) are waitlisted, or (3) have been turned down. I've never seen the letters but I would guess that (2) and (3) look alike from the outside.
     
  3. Whistle Pig

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    Very informative answer. Thanks 85.

    Question: As Super Mod, an alumna, BGO, and a lawyer ...WOW! ... you indicate you do not know where nominations come from for NAPS and Foundation appointees.

    Is it safe to assume this is a rather guarded secretive process? Why? What are the possible sources for these nominations? Who would determine these nominations? Who could explain this clearly?

    Appreciate your insights on this one.
     
  4. Just_A_Mom

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    If you knew any NAPS and Foundation apppointees and you asked them then you would know they are required to apply to their MOC's for a Nomination.
    While NAPSters are eligible for a Sec Nav nomination as they are enlisted; Foundation candidates must obtain a Nomination from their MOC.
    I believe in the Foundation contract one stipulation is that they receive a nomination - at least this was the case a few years back (2007)

    If for some reason, they fail to obtain a nomination - they *might* be afforded a Supe nomination. However, these are limited in number - only 50/year.

    No closely guarded secret here or *conspiracy*.

    If for some reason they fail to obtain a Nom
     
  5. usna1985

    usna1985 USNA Alumnus

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    No. As noted, they are encouraged to apply for noms just like everyone else. If they don't get one, they will likely be counted against the SecNav, just like other folks from the national pool. The difference is that they generally aren't competing for those noms if they successfully complete NAPS/Foundation and indicate a desire to attend USNA.

    I thought NAPS/Foundation were treated the same -- I believe that in practice they are as noted above, although how they are allocated (e.g., to the Supe ro some other source if they don't get an MOC/Pres nom) may differ.
     
  6. Just_A_Mom

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    NAPSters are actually enlisted. They qualify for one of the 85 nominations reserved for enlisted or one of the 85 nominations reserved for active duty (if from prior service). Regardless, they still are encouraged to apply for MOC nominations.

    Foundation scholars are not enlisted.

    All NAPSters and Foundation scholars are encouraged to apply to all sources for which they qualify, including MOC and Presidential (if applicable).

    Additionally the SecNav is allocated 150 appointments to Qualified Alternates from those who applied to their MOC and were not selected under that category.
    This would include NAPSters and Foundation scholars.
     
  7. gonavy2015

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    Thank you for the detailed information. We read that a candidate from our area was appointed this week. So we were just wondering what hope(if any) is left in the process.
     
  8. futuremom

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    Just FYI.... LOA's also come in a TWE!
     
  9. usna1985

    usna1985 USNA Alumnus

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    Most of the folks still waiting for appointments receive them in Feb. and March so there is DEFINITELY still hope. In fact, most appointments overall go out in Feb. and March b/c the MOC slates aren't due to USNA until Jan. 31, so that's when USNA has all the info to make its decisions. Finally, some people don't get the BFE until April.

    JAM -- thanks for the clarification.
     
  10. Whistle Pig

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    So if I understand this correctly ...

    NAPS and Foundation students have no need for a nomination to become a NAPster or Foundation ...

    But they go to NAPS (not Foundation) and become "enlisted" that they might now get one of the 85 nominations reserved allegedly for truly enlisted folks.

    Sidebar: Then do NAPsters have to serve if they drop out, are sent out, or simply choose not to go, rather going to a secular institution? Doesn't this seem like a way of circumventing the requirement to compete for an MOC nomination? In other words, if it's a lock they'll get the nom and that's been determined by the coaches, NAPs comm, whoever gives 'em the ok to attend rather than the MOC ..

    Sidebar #2: If Foundation kids don't make it or don't go ...do they have to pay it back? Are their only source of nom the MOC?

    This is all so confusing.
     
  11. sgmom

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    Gonavy2015, I found a link to a PPT that was posted on the forum several years ago. The PPT is from 2002 so I don't know if the National Pool numbers of today would be consistent with these or not. Slide 11 shows that at that time the average number of appointments for Qualified Alternates was 300.

    http://www.usna.edu/Admissions/BGO/b...ns%20Brief.ppt
     
  12. time2

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    I get "file not found" is that link correct????
     
  13. sgmom

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    I'll try again in a little while. In the meantime, these were the other numbers on the slide with the first being the average number of nominations, the second being the average number of appointments for each category: (Again, this was from a PPT from 2002).

    Senators 890, 99
    Reps 4000, 500
    VP 10, 1
    Presidential 440, 75
    SEC/NAV 450, 170
    Daughter/Son of DV/POW/MOH 10, 5
    ROTC 150, 20
    Sup 50, 30
    Qualified Alternates Appts. 300
     
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    Foundation preppers who opt to drop out of contention for an appointment do have to repay the Foundation the amount of their scholarship which they used. They do not incur any other obligation in the process.
     

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