"National Pool" Vs "National Wait List"

[Vista123]

Can someone explain the difference between "National Pool" and the "National Wait List" for USNA? Thanks in advance.

 

[usna1985]

National Pool are those candidates who received a nom but not an appointment from their nom source. They are still in the "active" hunt for an appointment as there are more appointments than nom sources/slots.

National Wait List are those candidates who, after all the appointments are handed out, are hoping that more people than expected turn down those noms.

 

[Vista123]

National Pool are those candidates who received a nom but not an appointment from their nom source. They are still in the "active" hunt for an appointment as there are more appointments than nom sources/slots.

National Wait List are those candidates who, after all the appointments are handed out, are hoping that more people than expected turn down those noms.

Thank you usna1985
Follow up questions

1.) about how many typically go to the National pool as opposed to getting TWEs?
2.) Is there a NWL every year?
3.) How many get selected on average from NWL?

 

[time2]

It seems on this forum the way the term is used at West Point, is different from USNA. At USNA, there have been 'wait lists' in some prior years, but NOT every year. The 'National Pool' as referenced above exists EVERY year and is a regular part of the USNA admissions process. That was my earlier comment on a prior thread, since these terms seem to be getting confused. USNA85 described it the way I understand it works for USNA. Perhaps West Point uses the terminology differently.

 

[Just_A_Mom]

^ correct.
West Point uses the term "National Waiting List" and USNA uses the term "National Pool". They are one and the same. These are qualified candidates who are not the vacancy winner for their nomination.
Later on in the spring - some USNA candidates may be notified they are on the "Wait List". This is a very select list of candidates who may or may not be called depending on last minute appointees canceling out.

 

[JimWardJr]

National Pool

USNA does not provide much info regarding the details of the selection process, but you can find some additional details from Public Law (which is hard to read). I don't mean to sound like a Sea Lawyer, but here's what I found in Public Law. Interpret at your own risk

Title 10 USC Chapter 603 provides the Public Law governing the USNA. Sections 6953 - 6956 govern the admissions process (nominations and appointments).

Section 6954(b)(5) describes a pool of 150 qualified alternates who have nominations from US Representatives and Senators, but who did not receive appointments from the top of their respective slates. I think this is what people refer to as the National Pool.

The wait list is apparently a mechanism that USNA sometimes uses to manage the final appointments, but Public Law does not seem to prescribe that process.

http://uscode.house.gov/uscode-cgi/fastweb.exe?getdoc+uscview+t09t12+2790+2++(academy

 

[usna1985]

1.) about how many typically go to the National pool as opposed to getting TWEs?
2.) Is there a NWL every year?
3.) How many get selected on average from NWL?

1. No way to be certain. Figure, as a general rule, the 9/10 nominees from each MOC slate who are 3Q'ed and don't get the appointment; however, some MOCs nominate 0 candidates (no one applies) and others nominate <10. Also, some candidates are on more than one MOC slate. Up to about 5000 -- but probably somewhat less -- from this source (if my morning math is ok). I'd guess another 2000-4000 thousand from the Pres nom pool. And then folks from various other sources (JROTC, etc.) At the end of the day, everyone who doesn't get an appointment will get a TWE (or offered NAPS/Foundation).

2. There has been a NWL (as USNA defines it) for the past at least 5 yrs and maybe a few more.

3. Varies by year and depends on how many appointees decline their appointments. I've been told they've never taken more than 50 off the NWL. Some years it has been 0.