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  1. Roxane

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    I was wondering if the NWL is composed after the acceptance date of April 15 in order for those that
    are 3Q and nominated, but were not the principal nominee (perhaps they were 2nd or 3rd) are then placed on that list. - ( NWL). I guess in simpler terms--who gets on the NWL and when does it originate?
     
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    That's not really how it works. If you are 3Q w/ a nom, you are ranked. Everyone is ranked. Some come off the list because they are a principal nom...some because they "won" their district (highest ranked in their district). Then, by law, the top 150 are offered appointment. Then, you can be pulled from anywhere off the list to meet class composition goals (i.e. race, gender, geographic location). You are on the NWL right now.
     
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    So if you aren't a principal nom and you aren't top 150 and you are a white male from a well represented area you basically have no chance of receiving an appointment?
     
  4. MomWPgirl

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    2018's class was 66% white, and 78% male.........
     
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    I'm aware that white males are not minorities at WP.... If they were a minority it would be advantageous to be a white male when it comes to receiving an appointment.
     
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  6. Sledge

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    A significant decrease in both categories.............
     
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    To stop beating around the bush, perhaps the assumption can also be that minorities are becoming more competitive?
     
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  8. Sledge

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    Sure. But, it's no secret that USMA has increased its admission "goals" in certain categories.
     
  9. nzpete

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    It's a secret to me. Where can I find USMA's minority goal percentages by year?
    Not the actual numbers, but the goal percentages contrasted with numbers attained.
     
  10. MemberLG

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    According to the Census data, from 2000 to 2010, the percentage of "white" in US population decreased from 75% to 72%. The precentage of females in US population is about 51% .

    To be direct, there are plenty of reasonable explanation for the "siginficant decrease." Conversely, higher percentage of white males at West Point can also be explained reasonably.
     
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    At our Founders Day celebration we had the opportunity to have the Commandant of the Prep School to attend and said that "The class of 2019 is the most diverse class West Point has ever had"
     
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    Here are the goals published from a couple of years ago. They reevaluate yearly and make adjustments.
    Scholars >30%.
    Leaders >25%.
    Athletes 18-23%
    Women 14-20%
    Soldiers 7-10%
    Minorities 25-30%
    - Blacks 12-15%
    - Hispanics 9-12%
    - Asian 4-6%
    - Native Americans >1%
     
  13. Sledge

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    Not the point I was trying to argue...in this thread.

    frenzymando asked, with a little hyperbole, whether, as a white male, you have "basically no chance" of getting in off the NWL after the top 150 slots are filled by WCS. momwpgirl responded that the Class of 2018 still had 66% white and 78% male. But, at this late stage, we aren't talking about the whole admissions process, are we? We're talking about coming off the NWL after the congressional slates have been decided and the top 150 NWL slots also.

    From my learning on this site, this is when they take people off the NWL and they don't have to go by WCS, right? They try to fill certain class composition "goals" during this process, correct? If, historically, white males have applied at much greater rates than others, then that's probably not a class composition goal at this point in the process. I would guess they have that covered by now.

    And to partially answer nzpete's question, there have been numerous public statements by USMA that they want more women and minorities. So, to answer frenzymando's question, would the odds not be, if not "basically no chance," then at least "less favorable" for a white male to come off the NWL at a time in the admissions process when they are trying to increase female and minority numbers to meet their "goals?"
     
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    This is what was said about the class of 2018. It will be interesting to see where and how much those percentage points go up and down.
     
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    Some of the composition goals will be filled prior to going on the NWL...and we have know way of knowing these percentages. Lots of unknowns. Scan comp.jpg
     
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    Yes, in this thread, if we are just talking about numbers - less white males at West Point results in more non white males at West Point; and the goal of increasing female and minority numbers contributed to the decrease.
     
  17. nzpete

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    I think it is the goal of most educational institutions to recruit percentages more in line with national averages. I wouldn't assume that USMA's statement automatically positions white males at a disadvantage, as they are still well represented demographically both at the USMA and in the Army.
    At worst, the answer to frenzymando's question should be "your chances are as good as anyone else's."
     
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    These, for the most part, reflect current U.S. demographics. I don't want to appear argumentative, but I'm curious where USMA publishes their demographic goals that they are trying to achieve when forming a class for the next academic year.
    Again, I would not assume that increases in minority selections are simply because they are being given preferential treatment. It very well could be that they have become more competetive through the years and are being admitted in percentages more in line with current U.S. demographic precentages.
     
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    Another confusing part the goals posted by Buff81 (I has seen those numbers before in some internal communication), they don't equal 100%. So how does a black female applicant that is scholar, leader, athlete, and soldier counted?

    On this thread, no one is technical saying "increases in minority selections are simply because they are being given preferential treatment."
     
  20. Sledge

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    I have not seen the "goals" published in an recent document, however I kept seeing "wanting > 20% women" in several articles last year, so maybe that was the "goal" (or "floor" is another term I have seen used). Qualified females were appointed at a rate 11 percentage points higher (59% to 48%) than qualified men for the class of 2018.

    This is a dated report (I'm not sure why they haven't linked the 2013 report) but you can see in the table on page 19, a qualified applicant who is black is offered admission, on average, in greater than 90% of the the cases. Hispanics offered at a slightly lower rate, but still much higher than whites. There are also a couple of power points within this pdf. link. The first powerpoint within has a page - number 49 of the pdf- showing the "goals" through the class of 2016. Notable that Sue Fulton and Senator Gillibrand were not members of the Board of Visitors during the time of this report. Some good stuff on pages 60-61 of the pdf also.

    http://www.usma.edu/bov/SiteAssets/Reports/2012 BoV Annual Report-Final Complete Report.pdf
     
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