Naval summer program application

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  1. marjasse

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    I was wondering what type of additional comments would be appropriate to go in the remarks under class size/ran? Would this be a good place to mention having dyslexia? Also what is suggested to go under the leadership role section?
     
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    Under leadership, you want to put just that...what leadership roles have you had? For some it is Eagle Scout and the ranks held before that. Class President or other school office, that is leadership. A common one also is sports team captain.
    Be very honest and only list ways you have indeed lead (not what you could have done or hope to do or wish you had done).

    Additional comments on class size and rank I think would mean specific comments about your school, being homeschooled, issues that might have effected your rank, etc. If there is no other place for information about dyslexia than perhaps it would go here, but hopefully someone with direct experience can comment about that.

    By the way, I don't think the applicaitons are even up yet so you might want to wait and see what exactly is asked of you but leadership tends to be a big one from what I hear!
    S
     
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    Re: dyslexia. I'm not sure what the status of that one is, but I do know this. Unless that or something directly asking about issues, disabilities, any other factors that USNA admissions should know about in the event you became a candidate for appointment ... don't volunteer. While I've not seen that app in a few years, most certainly there will be an appropriate, necessary time and place for that.
     
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    I agree with whistle pig completely here.
    Your diagnosis, in my opinion, may cause you issues with regards to Dodmerb.
    1.) ONLY answer what's specifically been asked.
    2.) be prepared for a DQ and hope for a waiver request.
    3.) have a plan B, plan C and a plan D.
     
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    I suggest you check in this forum for mention of The Naval Academy Candidate's Handbook in its most current edition as it will provide you with many insights and hints for applying to NAVY's various programs and as a prospective candidate. One of the points made in the older editions was to keep in mind the thousands of apps that will have to be processed and the effect of "fluff" extra submissions; ie, stick what is requested and be certain that whatever extras you do submit are germane and significant.
    Regarding dyslexia: I recall an AC conference a few years ago where this problem was discussed. It was noted that dyslexia is more of a problem in the so-called Bull subjects and that NAVY had admitted a dyslexic candidate who did well with a heavier than normal loading of math/science/engineering courses. I suspect that was/is an isolated incident, but it may offer hope if your credentials are particularly noteworthy. Best wishes.
     
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    The excellent guide/reference book noted by 1964 is the second edition by Sue Ross. It's available from Amazon, the Mid Store, Visitors Center, many places. Worth the 20 bucks for serious candidates.
     
  7. marjasse

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    thanks for the feedback. I downloaded last years summer application as a guide while it was still up.
    It specifically asks do you have any educational accommodations( Ie iep,504 etc). If yes please explain. This is where I think we have to put the dysgraphia (handwriting issue) and the dyslexia. His GPA is not bad but would have been better had he not struggled in Latin 2 because of the dyslexia? Any thoughts?
     
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    Does your son actually get any accomodations (e.g., use of a laptop to take notes for dysgraphia, extra time to take tests because of dyslexia)? If he does not get any accomodations/special arrangements from his school, I would leave this blank (for the reasons noted by prior posters). If the question asked about "any learning issues" I think you would need to list dyslexia, dysgraphia.
     
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    this is a tough one. i do no want him to not get in but want to be honest. He only uses extended time for finals in some subjects and SAT/ACT.
     
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    I see what you mean. His is not untimed he just got xtra time. Not sure if that makes a difference.
    Thank you
    Martha
     
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    usnabgo08 USNA 2008/BGO

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    I believe the "extra" time falls into a non-standard SAT/ACT.
     
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    Vista's right.

    And so is marjasse. Gotta be honest, and an IEP indicates there are learning issues sufficiently significant to impact learning via typical methods and that a special education plan is required to accommodate and/or enhance the student's learning experience.

    While I've not seen the NASS app, but in the event the 2013 app has a same or similar requirement, it may likely mean inability to be given candidacy status.
     
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    I have a friend who has a son with ADHD. In middle school he said he was interested in the Academy (his Dad is retired Navy, mom a physician). The mom said he would have to cease using his ADHD meds and NOT have an IEP for high school if he wanted to apply. Those issues would need to be non issues for high school and he would have to show that he could perform well without any accomodations or medicaitons.

    Not sure if she was accurate, but that was the 'plan' they put in place (alone with getting on a sports team, keeping grades up, etc.).

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    Sounds like the doc knew what she was doing.

    btw, a point of clarification.

    Many exceptional students have IEPs. So that per se is not the issue.
     
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    usna1985 USNA Alumnus

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    As of a few years ago (and I believe still is accurate today), USNA's position on learning disabilities (my term) such as ADHD, ADD, dyslexia, etc. is the following:

    If a candidate has demonstrated that he/she can function/perform at an acceptable level WITHOUT special accommodations (i.e., extra time, sitting in front of the class, medication, etc.), learning disabilities generally won't be an issue. If, however, the candidate needs special accommodations, the candidate won't be admitted.

    The reason, as stated by USNA, is that the military cannot guarantee that there will be "extra time" for certain evolutions or that the person can alway sit up front, or that medication will be available, etc.

    I don't recall how long (i.e., the time period) a candidate has to be without special accommodations in order to demonstrate he/she can handle the situation. I don't believe it is all of high school -- I have some vague recollection it's a year, but could well be wrong about that. You should check with DODMERB.

    One other point -- I can't say that learning disabilities (with or w/o accommodation) would be an issue for NASS; not sure what is asked about those or other medical issues in the application. I do agree that standardized tests that are untimed would not count for USNA/NASS purposes.
     
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    Medications

    I don't think they need to be without meds all of high school either. My friend's thought was that he (son) needed to test himself sooner rather than later so that if he did want to pursue the Academy he could really dig in. If he could not or chose not too, then he could better to wrap his mind around that and start considering other options.

    I know they took him off his ADHD meds for a full summer and he struggled some with anxiety and being too wrestless. They intended to keep him off for the school year but before that even got going fully he threw in the towel. Not because he had too much trouble implementing other skills to combat his ADHD (though that was a problem), but because he was not much into fitness and when his Dad started getting him exercising daily with him, even at a minimul pace, he HATED it (be it going to the gym, going for a run, a local ropes course, etc.). In the end, for a lot of reasons, their son decided on some other options. Whether it was wise or not to make that call in 9th grade is a matter of opinion.

    Again, in terms of being without meds for X amount of months or weeks before you apply... it would be interesting to find out what the actual 'rule' is.

    S
     
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    I imagine the period of time without accommodation is a year. I do know its a year for AFROTC and can't imagine it being different in this context.
     
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    It had been suggested that I c should check with DODMERB. Any suggestions on how to do that?
     

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