Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Terrorist

Just_A_Mom said:
here is the story from the Navy Times -
http://www.navytimes.com/news/2009/11/navy_seals_charged_fallujah_112509w/

The events described here are a bit different than OP.
The incident occurred AFTER the capture - not as a part of the capture. If you want to be angry with anyone be angry at the SEAL who made the report up the chain of command.
Hopefully, the facts will emerge at the Courts Martial.
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I think everyone here understood that the "alleged incident" happened after the capture. Just as the "alleged dismemberment and hanging" of the American Contractors happened after their capture.

Hey I'm betting the poor guy will score a trip to NYC for a hearing and, I'll bet these "rouge seals" didn't "mirandize" their prisoner when they captured him!
 
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This STORY is making less sense as it develops.
A SEAL team returns from a successfully mission with prisoner.
SEAL team is accused of abusing prisoner by Navy cage watcher.
Report go's up the chain of command for further investigation.
SEAL team declines captains mast (njp) for general court martial.

Heres where the strange begins:
Rule#1 What happens with the SEALs stays with the SEALs. as I have been told by several friends who are SEALs.

There are several means to deal with a problem in the Navy.
1. EMI (extra military instruction) used to correct a problem, can be assigned by work center supervisor/team leader. does not go on record. Does not leave immediate chain of command.
2. Verbal reprimand often used in conjunction with EMI. is not officially recorded. Does not leave immediate chain of command.
3. Written reprimand usually only recorded at the division officer level, used to show repeated types of inappropriate behavior or traits can be used at captains mast. to show pattern of behaviors. If NJP is not involved is not transferred to personnel record.
4. NJP (captains mast) CO may dismiss all charges, however if a case makes it to captains mast most are considered guilty and CO decides extenuating circumstances and such. personal note: For an enlisted man an early career Captains Mast can be a good thing straighten you right out.:rolleyes:
5. court martial there will be lawyers, judges and all sorts involved real pain in the as*

The SEALs chain of command could have used 1.2. or 3. and this situation would have been resolved with no media attention.

I believe there is more going on here than we're hearing. Don't know what but something.
The SEAL team should have shot the SOB while attempting escape. problem solved.
 
From CNN news: The court martial for the accused SEALs will be held in Norfolk VA. the terrorist scum could be called for testimony, maybe he and the 9/11 planner will get together to discuss the old times. The Ft Hood shrink could interview them for competency prior to any trials. Alls well in the PC world.
 
I didn't see the "Ft Hood Shrink" coming in that story. Well Done!
Now if we can get Tiger's wife to make a statement on what constitutes a proper beating...
 
jscam: what club would be the proper one? So many choices, iron or wood, putter or sand wedge, ping or big bertha. do you think she was going for accuracy or distance.:shake::yllol:
 
LineInTheSand said:
Wait! I don't get the Tiger reference.
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LITS:
You really need to get to the supermarket more often. The national enquirer has part of the story. Tiger has been seen prowling with tigresses other than his wife.
The car accident, tiger smashes his SUV into a fire hydrant then tree causing facial injuries to himself how ever airbags didn't deploy. His wife runs to SUV to save him. With the golf club she brought with her, she smashes SUV window, guess the doors must have been locked. cops arrive she is standing over him as he fades in and out of conscious.

To break it down so even a coasty can understand wife knocks the crap out of cheating husband, (alleged abuse)
 
2:30 AM Car leaving home...Car accident at end of driveway... Tiger with scratches on face... Wife with golfclub smashing car window...

Put events together in order YOU think that they happened. The latest story is this started with the scratches. I think the right to remain silent is going to become very important this week...
 
Hmmmm.....very interesting.....but reports said he was in serious condition....not true?
 
The newspaper here reported "serious condition" means he required medical attention beyond paramedics.
 
He checked out of hosp hours after arriving and is at home. A whack in the head with a golf club could cause some serious side effects.
 
Disgusting. I never heard anything like this on the news, and its revolting. Somehow, I dont really feel any desire for direct retribution. Lets just completely pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan. Without American forces there, the situation and stability of those countries will just worsen. Let them rot. Civil war, civil unrest, and civil disorder will ruin them even more. That'll be their punishment. No sense in keeping troops there for more chances for things like this to happen again.
 
Chockstock said:
Disgusting. I never heard anything like this on the news, and its revolting. Somehow, I dont really feel any desire for direct retribution. Lets just completely pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan. Without American forces there, the situation and stability of those countries will just worsen. Let them rot. Civil war, civil unrest, and civil disorder will ruin them even more. That'll be their punishment. No sense in keeping troops there for more chances for things like this to happen again.
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Unfortunately, there is just a tad more involved than that.
 
Maximus said:
Unfortunately, there is just a tad more involved than that.
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MAX: what do you mean by "more involved than that" please explain what you mean. As you phrased it "just a tad" went right over my head, whats "a tad":confused::wink:
 
usna1985, Lone Survivor, good book, very exciting. Thanks for the recommendation.
 
Lone Survivor is an excellent book, I like taking it out and reading it again whenever I have some free time. It has some good insight both on their choice to let the civilians live (and the consequences are extreme). I thought the part about their training was pretty intense. Absolutely incredible what those guys go through that very few people can really respect. Poor guys get no credit for getting a wanted terrorist before they get their necks wrung by the media.

Later,

Brian
 
AF6872 said:
Just goes to prove whether a JAG or civilian. A lawyer is a lawyer is a lawyer is a lawyer.
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Yeah lawyers, what good did they ever do? Well, I mean, besides writing the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States, overturning institutionalized racism in the American South, representing indigents facing loss of property and/or liberty for free on a daily basis, and....well, you get the point. People have problems with my profession because, just like every profession, there are bad eggs. Law is, by nature, an adversarial practice, and this can make for sour grapes against the profession as a whole. I don't believe that is fairly earned, but there it is. To illustrate my point, I'll pose these scenarios....let's just say you find yourself wrongfully facing eviction due to a malicious landlord, or, maybe, you were exercising your First Amendment rights and were wrongfully put in jail. I'm guessing your first call isn't going to be to a dentist.

I have no idea if these sailors acted out of line or not. They clearly fought a hard battle to get the bad guy, but, once he was captured and under control, I don't care how bad of a dude the prisoner is, there is no legal excuse for beating him up (unless self defense can be claimed if the prisoner was attacking the sailors). Who knows if this is the case or not? Clearly there is some debate as to when/where things happened, as is often the case in situations like this. There is, however, apparently enough of a concern to go forward with charges against the sailors. The government has the burden to prove that the SEALs acted outside of the law, and the accused are most certainly innocent until guilt is proven. JAM said, she hopes that the facts will come through at the trials (as there is clearly some dispute) and I couldn't agree more....that is what the courts martial are for. For those of you feeling that the accused sailors are getting a raw deal, don't be too harsh on lawyers. If these guys get acquitted, it's going to be because their lawyers zealosuly represented them and made sure the truth came to light.
 
Just_A_Mom said:
here is the story from the Navy Times -
http://www.navytimes.com/news/2009/11/navy_seals_charged_fallujah_112509w/

The events described here are a bit different than OP.
The incident occurred AFTER the capture - not as a part of the capture. If you want to be angry with anyone be angry at the SEAL who made the report up the chain of command.
Hopefully, the facts will emerge at the Courts Martial.
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You would rather the Platoon Leader have lied?

I thought one of the main purposes of Service Academies was to produce leaders who do not lie, cheat, or steal. Leaders who are willing to make the unpopular, hard decisions. If what he reported really did occur, he did the right thing, from a moral standpoint.

Just something to consider.
 
It may also be important to remember that Navy Times is a private medium, like any other newspaper.
 
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