Navy to drop ALL-CAPS communications

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  1. Luigi59

    Luigi59 Banned

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    (BTW - real story, not from The Onion)

    THE NAVY NOTICE THAT LOWERCASE LETTERS COULD BE USED WAS IRONICALLY ISSUED IN ALL CAPS.

    http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2013/06/12/navy-to-drop-all-caps-communications/

     
  2. AF6872

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    SNAFU:thumb:
     
  3. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    Oh good ole MOVREPs.... OPS would always make some change that would require me to do up a new MOVREP just as I was hopping into my rack for my 4-5 hours of sleep.

    I forgot about MOVREPs.
     
  4. Christcorp

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    Sniff Sniff. Those poor little babies. They thought they were being "yelled at".

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  5. pathnottaken

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    wHy woULd ANyoNe CARe aBoUt caPItalS.
     
  6. usnabgo08

    usnabgo08 USNA 2008/BGO

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    I'm not even sure why this is that big of a deal and why the Navy is trying to publicize it that much. Great....we are going from all uppercase to the regular way of writing and we need a whole PA stint for it?
     
  7. MedB

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    I dunno... The skeptic in me says that while it's a trivial topic for sure, it's better press than all the harrassment/assualt cases concerning the military lately. And it shows the service as becoming more modern and in touch with today.

    Might be part of what's behind the PR?
     
  8. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    It's soft news. I'm guessing the Navy didn't push it too hard, but it was just picked up as fluff. CHINFO isn't sitting back saying "this is HUGE news."

    It's like a skateboarding bulldog.
     
  9. catchthefever

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    I heard that next year, the Navy will introduce phase two of this program whereby each sailor's mother will record the message over soothing background noise for personal delivery to her DS or DD.

    For the life of me, I don't know how this change helps the Navy "save money" or "gain efficiencies." I also don't know if this story is just STUPID or FUNNY but it makes me not only lol but LOL!!!!
     
  10. Christcorp

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    Isn't stage-3 where any orders given, must be preceeded with "PLEASE, would you do something for me?"
     
  11. BigBear

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    ^saves money by using less ink per letter x zillions of letters on billions of forms, everything adds up

    And yes, my generation really does read all caps as YELLING. Get with the times, old geezers
     
  12. GoArmyBeatNavy

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    Whats wrong with YELLING...Cadet?
    :smile:
     
  13. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    Except that the entire federal government is supposed to be paperless....
     
  14. pathnottaken

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    It is stage-4, and 5 holding everything up

    After the order is completed a "thankyou" is required followed by (this is the controversal part) by "you're welcome" Many PC pols feel it is too much to ask.:eek:
     
  15. scoutpilot

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    Let's all be a little smart about this, shall we?

    For one, you have to know the background of the all caps. It's the same reason old Army OPORDs were often written like this:

    Now, they are all written as:

    The former format is a result of needing orders to be broadcast using teletype machines. The Army often used these machines to transmit orders. The Navy, obviously, needed them even more because of ships being far apart. Teletype machines wrote in caps and did not indent. Hence the odd format. It was a necessity. It's also hard as **** to read.

    Changing the format is a long overdue concession to a world that has moved beyond teletype. And yes, as goofy as it sounds, most everyone in the world equates all-caps writing with urgency and anger. It's not that feelings are being hurt. It's that the all-caps and the context are incongruent. Not every message is urgent.

    Humans write in sentence case for a reason. This is a good step.
     
  16. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    Maybe I just read, wrote messages far to often. I have nothing against changing it. It was a soft story that got more traction than I think any PAO would have expected. More power to them.

    Any Coasties know if CGMS has done the same thing?
     
  17. Luigi59

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    Negative.

    https://twitter.com/CGMSTraffic
     
  18. Christcorp

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    That was the biggest farce of them all. Prior to PC's on every desk and before AL gore invented the internet, if a letter or other paper was typed, a certain level of typos or mistakes were accepted so as to not have to do the entire typing all over again. When the military and civilian companies became excited about a paperless world with computers and all the time we would supposedly save, the lie was born. Now, management in all sectors have every little critiqued and corrected. After all, its on a computer and there for simple to fix. Unfortunately, management many times change their mind and require complete revisions. So the initial product actually takes more time to do than it did when things were hand written or typed. And because people have come to where they want to impress people more than just communicating, they spend hours more because they have to make and include spreadsheets and graphs to include. Again, a lot more time compared to the initial communication.

    And then, when the communication is finally completed, they wind up printing it out as a presentation. And even if its just emails or a form or document, many times it is printed out and stored in a folder because individuals want faster access to it and/or they don't trust that the PC or storage device isn't going to crash, and they want a backup hard copy.

    Computers have definitely enhanced our lives and inmany ways improved it. Especially when disseminating information to large groups at one time. But from an administrative point of view, in the creation of documents, it is much more time consuming. Basically, what took 20 minutes once to create, can take 2-3 hours because of corrections, revisions, and the despite to make it pretty for presentation. But in the end, most computer generated documents are still printed and filed some place. We will never be a truly paperless society.
     
  19. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    I saw the law when DHS went into hard core "we're going to be green" mode. It wasn't something the Coast Guard had been complying with for years.
     
  20. catchthefever

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    Scoutpilot ... This point I totally get and agree with.

    But this is the part that I just think is completely silly for even entering the context of the story. I'm not sure if it was pitched as part of the story or if it's just the angle that the media jumped on. But I think it set the military up to take flack over an otherwise non-newsworthy change that makes common sense for the reason you highlighted. It's no wonder that people are poking fun about it. While I'm quite sure that the Unites States Navy has not been taken over by a bunch of sailors with paper feelings, this "story" is now great fodder for the late night talk show hosts.

     

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