Need some help with Green to Gold

Discussion in 'ROTC' started by bdaugherty, Jan 28, 2014.

  1. bdaugherty

    bdaugherty New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2014
    Messages:
    4
    Likes Received:
    0
    Can anyone point me in the right direction to putting in a packet for the G2G Non Scholarship route? I currently have just a little over a year but I read that there is a waiver for time in service. I got a 90 on my ASVAB and a 126 on my GT score. I've been accepted to the college I want to go to as an Academic Junior (University of Tampa... my hometown) and have been accepted by the PMS there. I read that my Commander has to release me so I can ETS. Is this something that he probably will not do because of my time in or will he most likely sign off on it because I'm not trying to go the scholarship or ADO route so it will be on my own dime? I'm a little nervous to approach someone about this because I don't want it to look like I just got here and am trying to go already. I used to go to University of Alabama but school was getting a little expensive for me and I wasn't getting any financial aid. When I enlisted, this is what my recruiter told me to do and said it would be easy and that since I met the requirements, all I had to do was put in a packet. So here I am now trying to put in a packet and realizing it's not that easy.

    I meet every requirement other than the Time in Service and I also got a speeding ticket over 250 dollars so I need a waiver for that as well.

    Other than getting an acceptance letter from the ROTC detachment at University of Tampa and getting accepted into the school, I haven't done anything.

    Any help would be appreciated. You can also email me at brennon.daugherty@live.com
     
  2. mbitr

    mbitr Member

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2012
    Messages:
    295
    Likes Received:
    11
    I'll shoot you an email some time tomorrow with info on the packet. I don't know about a TIS waiver, but think about it this way; the more TIS you have, the more your post 9/11 GI bill benefit will be. As far as I know you must complete 2 years of your initial contract to be eligible for discharge under 16-2c. I wouldn't worry about it having to wait. The contract is what matters and so long as you have the PMS' support, you'll be fine. Hit the gym to grt your PFT score as high as you can and work on getting letters of recommendation from officers you work with to stick in your packet. What's your cumulative GPA look like right now? This is important if you're looking at going back to active duty.
     
  3. clarksonarmy

    clarksonarmy Recruiting Operations Officer at Clarkson Army

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2010
    Messages:
    1,699
    Likes Received:
    451
    Another problem is that the PMS shouldn't have accepted you until all your waivers were resolved and you are DODMERB qualified. I just had a G2G non scholarship applicant ask me for the letter of acceptance and luckily I looked at the reg before I had my PMS sign it. You need to resolve your waivers (including TIS) and then take you complete packet to your unit who does the 4187.

    You should be using a couple resources. There should be a unit responsible for supporting G2G at you duty station. In my case we are the partner unit for Fort Drum. We actually have a full time recruiter on Fort Drum that does nothing but G2G. You should also be working with the ROTC Battalion at the school you want to attend. Right now your waivers are going to be the long pole in the tent. Once your packet is 100% complete it's going to be tough for your chain of command to turn you down. Hopefully you have talked to them about your plans too.
     
  4. clarksonarmy

    clarksonarmy Recruiting Operations Officer at Clarkson Army

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2010
    Messages:
    1,699
    Likes Received:
    451
    when in doubt go to the reg...CC reg 145-6 TIS waiver goes through your chain of command to HRC

    (3) Have completed at least 2 years of active-duty on his initial enlistment but less than 10 years at the projected time of commission, as well as three months of active duty for every month of specialized training received as of the date of discharge for enrollment in ROTC or has a time-in-service waiver approved by HRC-. Soldiers on their second and subsequent enlistment must have completed three months of active duty for every month of the most recent specialized training received. Soldiers may submit a request for a time in service waiver through their chain of command to HRC- (see Appendix L). Montgomery GI Bill/Army College Fund requires 20 months for two-year enlistment and 30 months for three-year or greater enlistment to keep benefits.
    (4) Have completed three months of active duty for every one month of specialized training received as of the date of enrollment into the program (this includes language training, critical Military Occupational Skill (MOS), or Additional Skill Identifiers (ASI) received. Service obligations are served concurrently; the most recent service obligation for specialized training may not be based on the most recent course attended. Longer duration ASI/SQI courses may have service obligations that override a shorter but more recent course).
    (a) If a waiver of the service obligation for training is required, Soldiers must submit the request for waiver through their Chain of Command to HRC-.
    (b) Soldiers currently scheduled to attend an approved reclassification MOS training school will not be considered for a waiver until a request for cancellation of the approved reclassification MOS training has been processed and approved by the proper approval authority.
     
  5. mbitr

    mbitr Member

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2012
    Messages:
    295
    Likes Received:
    11
    I couldn't find a copy of 145-6 for the life of me when I applied. The way Clarkson described the process is exactly the way it went for me. It took about a year to get all my ducks in a row with the DODMERB and all that jazz. The best resource I had was the ROO at the school. They may not be experts on G2G depending on the number of packets they see, but if they want you there they'll help you with Cadet Command's red tape when it comes to waivers. Start on the traffic ticket now, because I've known guys who either got DQ'd and kicked out or who sat around forevvver waiting for approval.

    My chain of command knew the packet was coming for awhile, so with strong letters of recommendation in there it was just a matter of interviewing with the battalion and brigade commanders. My brigade commander had signed the thing before he even sat down with me.
     
  6. bdaugherty

    bdaugherty New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2014
    Messages:
    4
    Likes Received:
    0
    Thanks for all the replies.

    I've looked for a CC 145-6 online and can't find anything.
    @mbitr - I've gone to a few different colleges and also have 24 credits from high school for being in the International Baccalaureate program so a transcript evaluation is being done right now but my GPA is definitely over a 3.0.

    @clarksonarmy - I went on goarmy (dot) com and looked at the green to gold page. If you go to the ADO and Scholarship pages, the requirements say 2 years TIS but if you click nonscholarship there are only 4 listed requirements.

    under age 30
    favorable recommendation from chain of command
    accepted to the university as an academic junior
    2.0 gpa


    I'm at Fort Carson and I don't believe there is a Green to Gold advisor here. I looked online and read that "Captain Smith" at Fort Drum handles Green to Gold questions for CONUS. drumg2g(DOT)wordpress(DOT)com

    I emailed the email address listed and got a return to sender message. I called the number listed for Captain Smith and it just rings continuously with no option to leave a voicemail. I went on Fort Drums website and looked up the directory to see if there was a new number for him and the same one was listed. I called the help desk and they just said sorry this is the only number we have we can't help you.

    The ROO at University of Tampa told me I could join without 24 months but he also said he was new at this position so they would have to double check for me. The ROO at University of Colorado - Colorado Springs told me that I need to do the full 24 months even as a non scholarship cadet. I went to one of his briefings that he holds every month on post to get information about it. He also told me that all G2G, even non scholarship cadets, can only start in the Fall but I just talked to someone at University of Tampa that was a SSGT in October 2013, put her packet in November 2013, ETS'd December 2013, and is now a non scholarship Cadet at University of Tampa right now. I'm getting a lot of different information from multiple sources and don't really know what to follow.

    sorry for the weird website links. I had to write it like that because the forum won't let me post links until I have posted 10 times
     

Share This Page