New Army ROTC scholarships anticipate future leadership needs

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  1. Melitzank

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    since the two examples given are current students, and since we know there was no special application three years ago, or last year, etc., then I would say, no, there is no special app.

    The current app already has the applicant's home address listed, so that takes care of the urban focus.

    The current app already has a Major listed, and when the scholarship is awarded, it does stipulate it is for use with a Tier I, Tier II or no stipulation (Tier III) Major.
     
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    From reading the article, it sounds like most if not all these scholarships were awarded to cadets already in the program. It will be interesting to see if they implement a new/additional application form for these scholarships next year. For this year it does not seem that they have any seperate application since none is available on goarmy.com.

    The article makes states that there is no limit to the number of these type of scholarships that can be given (for now). CC still has a limit set for standard scholarships, it will be interesting to see if that limit is a lot lower this year to make room for these other scholarship options.

    The line that struck me was, "Like all Army ROTC Cadets who successfully complete the program requirements and graduate, he'll also have a guaranteed job. Zero debt and a guaranteed full-time job are desirable goals in these days of ballooning college costs and high unemployment numbers."

    That seems a bit misleading to me, given the competition for Active Duty.
     
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    That really stuck out for me too. I guess there must an asterisk somewhere to read and understand the fine print.
     
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    Me as well. The assertion of 0 debt is quite misleading since they only cover tuition OR room and board. They have no idea whether a cadet graduates carrying debt or not. But... I suppose it's a minor point.
     
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    Maybe "successfully complete" implies landing high enough on the OML so as to be above the cut line.
     
  7. Packer

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    Come on guys, it's called marketing. They can end up with zero debt and they can have/earn a guaranteed job.
     
  8. Jcleppe

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    Sure isn't written that way when they just say, "successfully complete the program requirements and graduate"

    I agree with Kinnem, the "Zero Debt" comment is really misleading. The article said that one of the cadets that received a scholarship was in his 3rd year, what happened to the first two years of tuition.

    I hope someone proofreads this before they make the Recruitment Brochure.

    They sure did a good job of keeping this under wraps, since they started giving these scholarship in the Fall of 2012.
     
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    Hey Packer. We just want to kvetch! Come on! :biggrin:
     
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    Really! I would never have guessed.:biggrin:
     
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    They do a very good job at marketing, that's for sure.

    When my older son started this process way back in 2007, I remember reading all the pamphlets with him and the info on the goarmy.com site. It all sounded wonderful and rosey. When he went for his interview the LTC asked that I come as well. I sat and talked to the LTC while my son did his interview. I have to say it was very informative, he laughed and said "Have a seat while I tell you how the AROTC program really works" Learned a lot that day.

    Point is, no matter what you read in the glossy handouts, always ask a lot of questions and do your own research.
     
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    Agreed. Even in 2011, the last year I looked at carefully, about 18% who asked for AD were referred to Reserve Duty, and about that same number were on some sort of GRFD or National Guard associated program, or wanted Reserve Duty. I would assume given the current draw down conditions that more than 18% of those who choose Active Duty will be referred to RD this year, and next year.
     
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    They must have read your post, because it looks like they've changed the paragraph to read...

    Note that the article now says "many" (I added the red for emphasis).

    And if you read the 2 separate sentences carefully, you see that the full-time part was not included in the sentence with the word guarantee. Clever indeed!

    This is mild compared to the "promises" made to enlisted...
     
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    Oh My, maybe they do read these boards.

    It's funny, because I copied and pasted that quote, it sure didn't take them long to change the wording. Changing the word to "Many" makes the difference. I guess it pays to kvetch sometimes.

    Your right, the promises made to enlisted will make your head spin.
     
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    And we sometimes think we don't make a difference! :biggrin:
     
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    Couldn't help but think of the movie "Private Benjamin" :shake:
     
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    "I was supposed to be at the base with the condos and the yachts!"
     
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    THe Urban Scholarship:
    There is a deep desire to make the Army very representative of the overall American Society, demographically and geographically. This is not just coming from one party in power but many civilian and military leaders alike. The fights we engage can not be ignored by 99% of our population. Everyone should and must have a stake in it. Aside from mass conscription which we cannot afford this is the Army's way of working toward that goal.

    Stanley McChrystal, the general who commanded U.S. troops in Afghanistan, has worried about an army that is “unrepresentative of the population.” He added, “If a nation goes to war, every town, every city needs to be at risk.”

    “The small percentage of our population in uniform, and with other parts of our society not involved, is a profound issue,” says Senator Jack Reed, a Rhode Island Democrat and alumnus of West Point who served in the 82nd Airborne Division.

    “In a democratic society, if you don’t feel some obligation of defending the country, you’re creating a problem,” says Senator Lindsey Graham, the Republican from South Carolina, who serves as a lawyer in the Air Force Reserves.

    It will be interesting how this scholarship progresses and what it achieves.
     

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