New Tattoo

Discussion in 'Air Force Academy - USAFA' started by FutureFalcon, Apr 23, 2011.

  1. FutureFalcon

    FutureFalcon New Member

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    Hello I am a appointee who recently turned 18. For my birthday I got a new tattoo within regulations of the USAFA policy. What do I do now? Do I have to report it to the DODMERB. Is this going to jeopardize my appointment? Need positive help please; no negative comments.
     
  2. d.mcknight

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    If you were worried about it jeopardizing your appointment, why didn't you seek advice BEFORE getting it done?
     
  3. Jazz00

    Jazz00 Tiger Blood

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    +1
     
  4. FutureFalcon

    FutureFalcon New Member

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    Well BEFORE I wasn't sure if I wanted to go to the USAFA or not.
     
  5. d.mcknight

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    When did you turn 18?
     
  6. trackandfield08

    trackandfield08 USCGA 2014

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    At this point d.mcknight, your questions are pointless and irrelevant. The OP has already established that he has the tattoo and really, there is nothing he can do to change that fact. I also believe he asked for positive, non judgmental feedback. There is no need to attack him.

    As to your question Falcon, I am not really sure of the answer but I do not believe that your tattoo would affect your DoDMERB qualification. CC or someone with more experience with the USAFA side of this forum are a better source of help than myself but I thought the replies you have gotten so far are the opposite of what you asked for.
     
  7. hornetguy

    hornetguy USAFA Cadet

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    Just because someone starts a post with "only give me the positive feedback" when they did something potentially stupid doesn't mean it's not relevant. If I was a reviewer and I received this from the guy, I'd pause for a moment and wonder about judgement. Like saying "I just smoked weed and I think it gave me a rash, what can I do and don't judge me" :rolleyes:

    Now that that is said, report the tattoo to DoDMERB. If it is indeed within regs and no medical complications occurred, you should be fine. Ask Larry Mullen in the DoDMERB forum if you want a more definitive answer from an official.
     
  8. d.mcknight

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    I had no intentions of attacking them. I was just wondering why someone who was even considering attending an academy would not be concerned until after the fact about whether or not something disqualified them. But to avoid sidetracking this thread further, I won't post on here. My apologies.
     
  9. Seamonkeydo

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    If your goal is the Air Force Academy get used to negative feedback. The first year is full of it.
     
  10. Christcorp

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    FutureFalcon; I can't really add any more advice than what Hornet offered. That is the advice I would give too.

    As to the issue of NOT responding "Negatively" because the OP requested so; I personally can't follow such wishes. Let me explain. I'm not being negative here. And I won't comment EITHER WAY on the OP's tattoo. Here's my rational for saying what I did.

    These forums, the threads in them, and the posts within the threads are read by hundreds if not thousands of individuals. Many come and lurk; some contribute back. Either way; people come here to learn. Learn how to make their application the best it can be; learn about the academies; learn about air force life; etc... WHENEVER I RESPOND to any post; I usually write in the 3rd person. And I mention that numerous times in my posts. I will not respond ONLY TO YOU. That defeats the purpose of this forum. When I respond, I am responding to you and the 10's or 100's of others who may have a similar question. This way, the same question doesn't have to be asked 34,532,684 times. Although, many will still be asked again, because not everyone uses the "Search" button.

    So while you may THINK that d.mcknight's response was negative and non-productive, I must respectfully disagree. I think there very well could be an individual who might read this thread who is considering getting a tattoo, and realize after the dialog..... "Hmmm, maybe I should take the money for the tattoo and get a rain check until after I get to the academy and see what the OFFICIAL response and feedback will be". That's the advice I would give someone who is considering a tattoo right now. There is approximately 2 months left until BCT. It doesn't matter to me WHAT THE RULES ARE as far as what people say on the forums. There is no Tattoo that is so important that is can't wait until after BCT. By waiting a few extra months, I don't take any chances, I know 1st Hand the rules, and I make my first choice of putting something ahead of myself. That is what I would tell a person considering it.

    But in this case, the individual already has the tattoo. Is there ANYTHING that they can do about it now? "Other than a very risky and painful removal"? Nope. Not a thing. So, what does it matter? Either do as Hornet recommended and tell DODMRB, or don't, and simply show up for BCT in June. Pretty much your only two choices.

    But I don't consider such questions by d.mcknight as useless. There are a lot of other people reading these posts besides the original posters. That's why I tell many of the posters that I am not only going to respond to them. I respond in a manner that other may have their similar concerns addressed without having to ask the same or similar question again. Anyway; hornet's advice is good. I'd follow it. later.... mike.....
     
  11. falconfamily

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    I really don't want to be judgemental but I do want to make an observation. That is, if you were so unsure if you wanted to go to USAFA, what has changed since your tattoo? If you have any uncertainty (enough to undertake a permanent body alteration) - just months before I-day - how will you feel when you are getting constant negative feedback, you are physically exhausted, and your life as a Doolie is making you miserable. Some doubt is understandable, but if you act on your doubt that is something else altogether.

    I am not being critical - I'm just wondering if you have really thought this thing through. good luck.
     
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  12. Bullet

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    +1 to what Hornet said.

    and +1 to what Christcorp said.

    But my spidey-sense is tingling here based on some comments made by the OP, and I HAVE to ask: exactly WHAT kind of tattoo did you get?

    (He asks, hoping it's perhaps something simple like a falcon, and NOT something like "Future World's Greatest F-22 Pilot", or perhaps just as worse "USAFA: Class of 2015". Something like that would lead this discussion down a WHOLE other path in regards to "judgment".)
     
  13. jwalsh1

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    When I first enlisted, we had to have a tattoo check at the beginning of basic. One person had the air force logo thing with the date he started basic and a date 20 years later pretty much saying how he was going to make it a career. Let me tell you, he was given HELL by the TI's. Both him and the guy who got the "Mama's Boy" tattoo. Both of them made it through, but when I was at church one week, there was this guy who was getting sent home because the MEPS said his tattoo was in regs, but the doctor didn't know what he was saying. When he got to basic, they told him that his tattoo was out of regs, so he went through 6 and a half weeks of basic training, just two weeks away from finishing, for nothing.

    Figured I'd tell the story I had.
     
  14. nosreme

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    The real issue goes beyond the academy. Officers with tattoos are generally regarded as superficial. That might change a bit over time, but it's reality.
     
  15. FutureFalcon

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    Thank you for all of the response. It would have been wise of me to ask this question before I got it rather than after. But I know what to do now. It was also dumb of me to ask for only positive feedback. What I meant by saying that is I'm sure there are a lot of posters on this site ready to be judgmental on my mistakes but I was seeking information on how to deal with my situation rather than be put in the hot seat over something that I cannot change now.
     
  16. jwalsh1

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    My best advice would be to contact DoDMERB and ask them what to do about it. You will probably have to send in a photo of it and they will take it from there. Best of luck to you, hopefully it is in regs. I have a tattoo myself; however, I got it while active duty on the enlisted side, so I know it is in regs. They saw it during my DoDMERB physical and took a picture of it. It didn't cause any kind of trouble in my application. I was thinking about getting another one myself, but I figured I'd wait until after I get in. =P
     
  17. Strike Eagle

    Strike Eagle USAFA Cadet 2015

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    I thought that you were asked about tattoos and scars so that your body can be identified if you are killed and too mangled to be identified otherwise. (Just something I read in a book somewhere...)

    Also, if you are in regulations and didn't get hepatitis or anything, then there is no reason to worry.
     
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  18. Pima

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    This issue has become a popular one on almost every thread. I know that tats are very common among this generation.

    Obviously with the OP what is done is done. However, for the class of 16 who are thinking of doing this option for their 18th birthday, I would highly suggest you re-think it.

    Leave alone the medical issues, or AFA approval, and concentrate on the AF's perspective regarding tats. It was only about a decade ago that the hammer came down on tats, basically the time tats popularity started to increase.

    It has a negative connotation in the AD world, basically because those becoming leaders know tats and body piercing are frowned upon by the AF. It is a mind set.

    Do members have tats? Yes, but on a whole they now shy away from them.

    Also, as cool as it looks now, think about what it will look like 50 yrs from now. That nice, soft, silky, taut skin will not look the same when you are 40, 50, 60 or 70. However, that tat will be there. Before you do it, visit the grandparents, and wherever you want to place it, ask them to show that part of the body. If the grandparents don't live by you, ask your folks...be honest with yourself and envision that is going to be your skin. I bet you will feel differently.

    Many people see getting a tat as being impetuous and young, because they don't think it out for decades in front of them.

    I remember when Bullet jumped with the 82nd as an AF ALO. Everybody had a tat, most had a dreamcatcher on their calf. Bullet wanted one, and seriously thought about it. I told him that if he still wanted one 6 months after getting back in the jet (tats are rare in the flying world), I would support his decision.

    Bullet does not have a tat.

    I think that is the same for kids this age. Many of their friends have one, and it is common place. They don't realize that when they go into the AFA and that world, it is a rarity. It is not something people will openly say "Cool, where did you get it done, I want one too". It is more common to hear "Hmm, okay and what made you do that?" or "Man, good on you, I would have never risked my DodMERB". Both in essence are questioning your common sense.

    OBTW, our DD against our advice got a tat on her instep of her foot (walks in his feet --- religious connotation). I have to say in our home there was H*ll to pay for when she did it. She did it at college. I will also say everyone of the family (grandparents, aunts, uncles, siblings, etc) an close family friends of my generation, asked her one question. What the H*ll were you thinking. In their mind it was impetuous and in yrs to come it would be a big regret.

    Not saying it is wrong to get one, just saying for some in society it will always be viewed in a negative light. That is life. You have the right to express yourself, but you need to realize tats will be a polar issue. Right or wrong people are judged from the outside first. That is probably why the cliche "1st impression is the most important impression" exists.
     
  19. Pima

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    Another issue to realize is that you most likely will visit all different parts of the world. What is culturally acceptable here, may not be there.

    Or the fact that Tweety is no longer YELLOW in yrs to come. I think many people our age are opposed to them because we may have had grandparents/uncles with tats and can remember looking at a blob on their arm, wrist, etc when we were young and asking what is that? They would at that point tell us it was a battleship, with the name and dates of when they served...all we could see was a blob resembling a birth mark in weird colors of black, blue, red and yellow. Darn those wrinkles and crinkling skin! However, who knows maybe this generation can just put BOTOX in it to keep the skin tight! Oh,never mind, I am pretty sure Botox is not covered under Tri-Care.

    A very good friend of mine's father has a tat, he only wears long shirts because now at 65 he is embarrassed. Another friend of mine has hidden hers for at least 15 yrs.

    I only say this because from my experience anyone I knew that did it at 18, truly regretted it when they entered the real world and climbed the professional ladder. I can tell you nobody who has met my friend in the past 15 yrs would know she has a tat. However, when she does tell them, there is that AHA moment, no wonder you always wear that type of tops. It is also followed with "why did you do it, were your drunk?" Answer: YES!

    That is just our generation. A generation that is raising your generation, thus, also probably why it is a polarizing issue.
     
  20. katamonk

    katamonk USAFA 2015 Appointee

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    What if the OP had a tattoo that was completely hidden, would it still be a problem? For instance, a girl could get a tattoo below her hip (a guy could get a tattoo there too but I don't know any who would) and no one would ever see it unless she was taking off her pants/underwear. I might have misread some of the posts, but I didn't read anything about the placement or shape of the tattoo.
     

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