NO AFROTC ICSP or 2014 Field Training???

I highly doubt right of line award has any effect on FT scoring. There's no section for detachment awards on the OML. Mine was a recipient too, bu I'm sure half the dets have been a recipient at one time or another. CO said they like to move the award around an not give it to the same dets 2 yrs in a row. If it did have any effect on FT packages, it would be so marginal that it wouldn't make a difference anyways. So I wouldn't count on any extra points.
 
Then the fact that Det 157 has won it in back to back years (2012, 2013) must mean something....

If it makes you feel better to think that, go ahead. Being a great cadet in a great detachment is great and might make a little bit of difference. Being an average cadet in a great detachment and $2 will get you a cup of coffee.
 
I like that answer...especially since my DS is above average, broke and doesn't drink coffee !!:thumb:
 
ERAU,

I would look at that the true impact is not SFT for the cadets, but the promotions for the Cadre.

Posters tend to forget that many of the staff will meet promotion boards and will have their annual OPRs written while assigned to the det. Again, look at what Bullet and Flieger posted on the resume thread. A Captain or Major up for promotion will benefit under their job assignment being at a det. that is nationally ranked.

I would also think that it is "sales" tactic for recruiting cadets. 17 yos hear/read that this det has been Nationally recognized multiple times. The 17 yo torn between 1 college and another may see this as an advantage, when in reality as it has been stated if there is any value at all, it is truly neglibile. They are either going to shine or they aren't.

I have always said look at how you ask the question, and what questions you ask to get the real look or what they are saying.

For example:
ERAU states that they give out the 2nd highest amount of rated slots, after the AFA.
~~ This is true.

However, the question that should have been asked was not the amount, but the % of cadets that get a rated slot, or specifically the rated slot you want.
~~ A couple of yrs ago (11) VT had less slots in numbers, mainly due to their size. Yet, statistically they had a higher rate of slots awarded. Our DS at a nationally recognized det. had statistically a higher % than ERAU, but people heard #2 in awarding rate and translated it in their mind as best chance.
~ They purchased a sales pitch.

Had the 17 yo asked that question, they may have decided to go to VT over ERAU.

Many 17 yos never find this site, yet they get the congrats letter saying they were awarded a Type 1, 2 or 7. What they don't understand is that SFT selection is a factor.
~~ They may ask what are the stats needed for SFT selection, but what they should be asking is what is the % of the cadets selected for SFT from that det. Everyone knows the national avg. for the cgpa, but for each college the stats maybe a little different, and you want to place the cgpa and the % together when comparing schools.

The same can be said about the Right of Line award. They will tout it as being nationally recognized back to back. A 17 yo can see this as truly the best det in the nation.

However, here is the problem. Det leadership changes constantly. The CoC they interview with may PCS over the summer before they arrive. That new CoC will be different and the atmosphere in the det will change under their leadership.

I agree with non-ducor they do like to switch it up. I know for a fact that Det 330 won the best in the nation (large) in 2012 for the 2011/12. The reason I know this as a fact is when they win the big one, the guest speaker at the spring Dining Out was the guy in charge of HQ AFROTC from Maxwell. The spring dining out is also the awards night, and the sr. formal. I was there, and there was a loud noise from the crowd when he said I want to congratulate all of you for being selected as the best in the nation.

I know our DS had stated to me that night that the det had won it a few yrs earlier... I think in 08. To him this was really not worth anything at all. The parents are always more impressed than the cadets.

OBTW, before anyone flames me. I will bet my Myrtle each det. has a a sales pitch. I know our DS's det. did. They stated 95% of the cadets that carry a B avg and request rated, get rated. This is was my 1st clue that some state numbers, and some state stats. We had to decipher between the two. Best explanation I can give is one det. talks ACT and the other talks SAT. You have to convert the results so they are both the same.
 
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I posted a longer version of this on another thread, but I wanted to post just one snippet for those that are FY16, and up for SFT.

Q12. If the Air Force reaches end strength goals for FY14, will there be Force Management-related RIFs, boards and rollbacks in FY15?
A12. Based on budget constraints and strategic goals for DoD, the Air Force expects additional force reductions will be announced for FY15 that may require additional Force Management actions. Under the performance-based personnel management strategy, the DOS Rollback program, enlisted retention boards, and Quality Force Review Boards will be enduring management tools designed to retain a high quality, high performing leaner force.
Q13. What is the AF strategy to size and shape the force?
A13. ..... However, the Air Force is modernizing personnel policies and institutionalizing a performance-based strategy versus today’s model that values longevity over performance.

Just pointing out that it appears the 300's may be on the hit list next yr. like the 14s.

I may have been reading the announcement wrong, but the last line spoke volumes to me, and it may be why for non-techs not going rated it may be an issue for SFT selection.
~~~ No flaming me, my DS was a non-tech scholarship cadet. I am just saying for the AF, even when it comes to scholarships they place more value on tech majors (80-85% scholarships).

The Big Blue has gone through this before, and the fact is if they cut too deep the non-rated side, they can always take a rated member and throw them into Maintenance, Mission Support, etc., yet they cannot do the same with non-rated if they cut the rated side too deep due to the extensive amount of training required. This is where the "performance" aspect may come into play, and why I stated it may be an issue for SFT selection this yr.
 
With all the news that has come out from the Air Force recently regarding force reductions and a leaner AF in the near future, I think it would be safe to say that EA slots will take a big hit for the Y16 class. Not great news AS200 cadets and their parents, me being one of those!
 
Which means they need to be at the top of their game to be competitive and be selected I would presume.
 
ERAU,

Many 17 yos never find this site, yet they get the congrats letter saying they were awarded a Type 1, 2 or 7. What they don't understand is that SFT selection is a factor.
~~ They may ask what are the stats needed for SFT selection, but what they should be asking is what is the % of the cadets selected for SFT from that det.

Last year all but one cadet were selected for SFT. I believe the numbers were 45 out of 46 (97%).
This year there are more than 80 AS200's seeking slots.

The fact that the detachment is looking to almost double it's number of EA slots at a time when the total number of EA's is expected to decline might help explain my interest into whether the Right of Line offers these cadets any kind of edge.
 
Wow! That's a lot of FTPs :) At my det, there was a 100% selection last year (9 out of 9) but a couple cadets ended up being medically DQ'ed and didn't actually get to go to field training. This year there are 18 of us and ours is the biggest class at our det (even the AS 100 class is smaller). Hopefully we'll get a good selection rate. I think that the reason the selection rates are generally high at my det is because most of us are engineers.

I don't think that a detachment award will give an edge in EA selection, but the fact that the training program at the detachment is nationally recognized means that the program is really good and turns out competitive cadets. So overall the cadets might get a higher selection rate because they would be near the top over all detachments just because the program is good, not directly because of the award.
 
Last year all but one cadet were selected for SFT. I believe the numbers were 45 out of 46 (97%).
This year there are more than 80 AS200's seeking slots.

The fact that the detachment is looking to almost double it's number of EA slots at a time when the total number of EA's is expected to decline might help explain my interest into whether the Right of Line offers these cadets any kind of edge.

It won't, all it means is that your DS's det has a good program that prepares cadets for FT. My det has similarly high EA selection rates and has been a winner of the award this yr too, but I feel like the two have more of a correlation with each other, than the award actually influencing packages. Really, everything is up to the cadets. The only 200s not selected from my det last yr were ones that didn't have the grades. If your DS is tech w/ a 3.0-3.1 or non tech w/ whatever numbers Pima posted, good PFA score, good commander's ranking. There really shouldn't be anything to worry about. I know someone who got an EA last semester with a 2.6~, and a couple other cadets get it within the 2.7-2.8 range. BUT they were all tech majors and just b/c it happened last yr, doesn't mean it'll happen this yr.

Can't change anything now though, this past semester was the last semester that really counted for anything. It was the last semester to improve your grades, for the pfa (unless your det has an extra pre-FTP pfa planed for January), and the last semester to improve your SAT/ACT score if you wanted to, or take the AFOQT before FT. This yr looks like it's going to be a little tougher than last yr, which is saying something cause EAs last yr looked scarce. I wouldn't worry about the fact that your det has more cadets seeking EAs b/c the competition is national, not necessarily with them. It'll just be a little harder to stand out for commander's ranking, but if your DS already does stand out, then having more 200s won't really affect him.

Try not to worry so much about it if he falls in the aforementioned category. I say try, it'll be good for you if you can. My stats are pretty good, and I have a desirable major, but I'm a chronic worrier so lol I probably won't be able to follow that advice myself.
 
Last year all but one cadet were selected for SFT. I believe the numbers were 45 out of 46 (97%).
This year there are more than 80 AS200's seeking slots.

The fact that the detachment is looking to almost double it's number of EA slots at a time when the total number of EA's is expected to decline might help explain my interest into whether the Right of Line offers these cadets any kind of edge.

I would think the award would have little to do with it. I would also think that given they attend Embry Riddle and most are probably aeronautical or other engineering majors would have much more to do with their selection. Ultimately it comes down to the individual.
 
ERAU, I understand your concern, 80+ AS200 cadets at one Det is a huge number. Fortunately the EA selection is a National competition and not by Det. My Son's Det has 28 AS200/250's currently, also larger than last years class that only had 14 200's with 12 getting an EA slot. Competition will definitely be tuff this year for most likely fewer spots and more cadets competing.
 
My DS and I were having a conversation last night about the upcoming field training and the importance for many of this years AS200/250's to have a backup plan in place...

It appears that my DS's detachment isn't the only detachment that has twice as many cadets looking for EA slots...

(AFROTC16's detachment going from 9 AS200/250's last year to 18 this year and flying wildcat's detachment going from 14 AS200/250's last year to 28 this year)


Looking for input from posters on changes in their detachments numbers from last year to this years AS200/250's that would either assure or dissuade one that the following calculations are in the right ball park.

If other detachments have similar numbers AND anticipating that this years field training will be down at least approximately 400 cadets (losing max 6 and averaging 400 cadets per max ) by my calculations equates to something very close to 50% of this years AS200/250's will NOT be going to field training this summer.

Just food for thought for those cadets who have yet to decide on what their backup plan is for 6 months from now if they don't get that EA they were counting on...
 
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My DS and I were having a conversation last night about the upcoming field training and the importance for many of this years AS200/250's to have a backup plan in place...

It appears that my DS's detachment isn't the only detachment that has twice as many cadets looking for EA slots...

(AFROTC16's detachment going from 9 AS200/250's last year to 18 this year and flying wildcat's detachment going from 14 AS200/250's last year to 28 this year)


Looking for input from posters on changes in their detachments numbers from last year to this years AS200/250's that would either assure or dissuade one that the following calculations are in the right ball park.

If other detachments have similar numbers AND anticipating that this years field training will be down at least approximately 400 cadets (losing max 6 and averaging 400 cadets per max ) by my calculations equates to something very close to 50% of this years AS200/250's will NOT be going to field training this summer.

Just food for thought for those cadets who have yet to decide on what their backup plan is for 6 months from now if they don't get that EA they were counting on...

Exact situation of what my detachment is experiencing. Last year there were roughly 20 cadets still competing for an EA and this year there are 39 cadets. I don't believe that the selection rates would be that low but I do believe that detachments will be more picky on choosing who they would put EA packages for. With the deadline for EA packages coming soon I think there would be a reduction in the number of 200/250s in the upcoming weeks when cadre would tell cadets whether they would put them up for the EA board.
 
Just asked my DS that same question and I learned that it is Feb 20. He said that all of their 200/250's are getting put up for the EA board.
 
If that's the case for ERAU and other detachments then there would be a large pool of applicants this year. Looks like it would be a lean year for non tech cadets.
 
My DS told me they lost 3 200/250 cadets after the fall semester so they are down to 25 now, but that is still almost double from last year. He said that all 25 will be competing for what is rumored to be fewer EA slots, so competition will be fierce. Non techs are expected to take the biggest hit in the number of EA allocations awarded. Good luck to all the cadets on this forum competingthis year, not too long now!
 
My detachment is down to 17 but still up from 12 last year. I am not sure how we have all applied whether tech, non tech or rated but numbers seem to be up this year all around.
 
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