No More Public AirShows

Hell with it. Let's just have them do a flyover with "DRONES". Apparently they are flying over towns, cities, farms, etc... throughout the country. How expensive would it be to play "Playstation"? There's quite a few in the Colorado area.

Now that you mention it, there will probably be a drone on station there anyway, just to keep an eye on things. Works for me. Does it have to be big enough for people to see though? These things are getting pretty small these days.
 
Now that you mention it, there will probably be a drone on station there anyway, just to keep an eye on things. Works for me. Does it have to be big enough for people to see though? These things are getting pretty small these days.

Looking for cadets sneaking golf clubs and mini-fridges into restricted airspace.
 
John Kerry just dropped off $350 million in Egypt.

$350 million US tax dollars, headed for Egypt. For Egypt.

Not Tennessee.

Not Michigan.

Not Oregon.

Egypt.

Surely they could hold back $200K for a flyover.....
 
Better yet, being we're also giving FOR FREE a bunch of F-16's to Egypt, why don't we just postpone deliver until May, and have them flyover the academy "On Their Way" to Egypt.

At least we all agree that the government wastes a lot of money in ALL programs and ALL agencies. And that the President and Congress cares MORE about politics and votes than they actually care for the country and it's citizens.
 
At the risk of sounding selfish, I admit I do care, and am pretty disappointed. Judging by facebook postings from the last few days, I am far from the only 2013 cadet to hold this view. And while I don't want to speak for the class, I would guess that we would vote in an overwhelming majority to opt for a local commencement speaker if it meant the resources spent to fly and support Mr. Biden out here could be allocated to a Thunderbird performance.

Big picture, do we understand? Yeah. Will we get over it? You bet. But it would be an easier pill to swallow if this cutback was among others in a serious attempt to control our spending problem, rather than a representation of the partisan bickering and gamesmanship that unfortunately has become the status quo from our leadership in Washington.
 
Better yet, being we're also giving FOR FREE a bunch of F-16's to Egypt, why don't we just postpone deliver until May, and have them flyover the academy "On Their Way" to Egypt.

At least we all agree that the government wastes a lot of money in ALL programs and ALL agencies. And that the President and Congress cares MORE about politics and votes than they actually care for the country and it's citizens.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry. This is the way we treat our military personnel.
 
At the risk of sounding selfish, I admit I do care, and am pretty disappointed. Judging by facebook postings from the last few days, I am far from the only 2013 cadet to hold this view. And while I don't want to speak for the class, I would guess that we would vote in an overwhelming majority to opt for a local commencement speaker if it meant the resources spent to fly and support Mr. Biden out here could be allocated to a Thunderbird performance.

Big picture, do we understand? Yeah. Will we get over it? You bet. But it would be an easier pill to swallow if this cutback was among others in a serious attempt to control our spending problem, rather than a representation of the partisan bickering and gamesmanship that unfortunately has become the status quo from our leadership in Washington.

I would say they reached agreement, although a rather poor one. The hope now is that as part of the continuing resolution discussions which will come to a head later this month, they decide to make these same cuts to discretionary spending in a less ham handed way. Up until now they've been arguing over how these "cuts" occur. Perhaps now that they all recognize the cuts are all occurring in spending, they'll be able to agree on a less ham handed approach. Perhaps the flyover can be saved yet.
 
At the risk of sounding selfish, I admit I do care, and am pretty disappointed. Judging by facebook postings from the last few days, I am far from the only 2013 cadet to hold this view. And while I don't want to speak for the class, I would guess that we would vote in an overwhelming majority to opt for a local commencement speaker if it meant the resources spent to fly and support Mr. Biden out here could be allocated to a Thunderbird performance.

Big picture, do we understand? Yeah. Will we get over it? You bet. But it would be an easier pill to swallow if this cutback was among others in a serious attempt to control our spending problem, rather than a representation of the partisan bickering and gamesmanship that unfortunately has become the status quo from our leadership in Washington.

Looks like 2013 gets their first taste of "no one cares what you think" from big Air Force.

In large part, the failure to plan is on DOD. I'm guessing the DOD civilians who are being furloughed don't much appreciate 2013's bellyaching.
 
Looks like 2013 gets their first taste of "no one cares what you think" from big Air Force.

In large part, the failure to plan is on DOD. I'm guessing the DOD civilians who are being furloughed don't much appreciate 2013's bellyaching.

Frankly I don't care what YOU think...I'm tired of your snide comments on our forum...I couldn't careless you went to CGA...etc...you never served in my big Air Force...why don't you stay in your own forum?...but I guess not too many people are commenting enough on CG forums and you have nothing better to do.....Ahhhh Go to Navy forum and stay there...since you wrote you "almost" went there. But wait...you went to CGA instead...so they probably don't care about your useless comments either...annnnywaayyyy I'm just one Big Air Force retiree opinion.:thumb::spacecraft:
 
Frankly I don't care what YOU think...I'm tired of your snide comments on our forum...I couldn't careless you went to CGA...etc...you never served in my big Air Force...why don't you stay in your own forum?...but I guess not too many people are commenting enough on CG forums and you have nothing better to do.....Ahhhh Go to Navy forum and stay there...since you wrote you "almost" went there. But wait...you went to CGA instead...so they probably don't care about your useless comments either...annnnywaayyyy I'm just one Big Air Force retiree opinion.

Everyone is entitled to post on all of the other forums if they want to. Its called free speech and I don't see anything in the subheading that says "only people who went to USAFA or are/were in the USAF can comment." I mean no disrespect in anyway though and thank you for your service. :thumb:

Looks like 2013 gets their first taste of "no one cares what you think" from big Air Force.

In large part, the failure to plan is on DOD. I'm guessing the DOD civilians who are being furloughed don't much appreciate 2013's bellyaching.

As a child of parents who served in the AF for 25 years active duty and are now working as civilians who were furloughed (as LITS mentioned), I don't appreciate parents or cadets complaining about the loss of a flyover that's a waste of money anyway. Is it disappointing? Yes it is, I completely understand that. The roar of jets as they fly over you is an amazing sound and definitely gives you chills while adding that something special to a ceremony. But at the end of the day, they're still going to walk the stage and receive a diploma and a commission. I mean, we could just cut all of the SA graduation ceremonies and just give people a field commission when they arrive at their units. That would save a lot of money.

Then again, the Coast Guard has always had to do more with less so maybe we're just used to it. Welcome to to the other side of the tracks DOD.:welcome1:
 
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Everyone is entitled to post on all of the other forums if they want to. Its called free speech and I don't see anything in the subheading that says "only people who went to USAFA or are/were in the USAF can comment." I mean no disrespect in anyway though and thank you for your service. :thumb:



As a child of parents who served in the AF for 25 years active duty and are now working as civilians who were furloughed (as LITS mentioned), I don't appreciate parents or cadets complaining about the loss of a flyover that's a waste of money anyway. Is it disappointing? Yes it is, I completely understand that. The roar of jets as they fly over you is an amazing sound and definitely gives you chills while adding that something special to a ceremony. But at the end of the day, they're still going to walk the stage and receive a diploma and a commission. I mean, we could just cut all of the SA graduation ceremonies and just give people a field commission when they arrive at their units. That would save a lot of money.

Then again, the Coast Guard has always had to do more with less so maybe we're just used to it. Welcome to to the other side of the tracks DOD.:welcome1:

There seems to be little empathy from our Coast Guard brothers in arms. If homeland security decided to do away with Eagle I would understand your feeliings/concerns about politician playing games with a symbol that is dear to all USCGA graduates.
 
John Kerry just dropped off $350 million in Egypt.

$350 million US tax dollars, headed for Egypt. For Egypt.

Not Tennessee.

Not Michigan.

Not Oregon.

Egypt.

Surely they could hold back $200K for a flyover.....

Two words: Suez Canal.

Here's a quotation from Anthony Cordesman giving the viewpoint on why the previously planned pre-revolution aid package is going through (and I get that this is something reasonable people can disagree over -- just want to try to highlight that foreign aid can be a pretty complex calculation):

But Anthony H. Cordesman, who has served as a consultant for the State and Defense departments and who holds the Burke Chair in Strategy at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, said the administration is right to send the planes.

"If you were to suddenly end this partnership with Egypt -- if you were to make Egypt feel that somehow it were not trusted or second-best, what would the security implications be? It certainly would justify or encourage all of the extremist elements that are trying to push Egypt away from both the peace process and the security partnership with the U.S.," he told FoxNews.com.

He said that the cost of providing the weapons is worth it.

"We need to remember that Egypt isn't just important to Israel. It is critical to us, because it controls the Suez Canal. It has been a vital staging point for U.S. operations in the gulf."

Cordesman argued that the F-16 fighter jets are unlikely to be turned against us or our allies, as they are too complex to be used effectively without U.S. maintenance.

"These weapons systems are certainly extremely effective, but no one can sustain them unless that partnership with the United States continues," he said. "The modern software, the computer systems, the munitions that make this weapons system so lethal -- other than us, there are no alternative suppliers. There are European states who can provide parts of the aircraft, but F-16s and most modern systems are basically dependent on U.S. manufacturers."

"In some ways, the more sophisticated the system, the safer it is to transfer," Cordesman said, while noting that there are still risks.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/0...-route-to-egypt-amid-criticism/#ixzz2MXINbQN3
 
Everyone is entitled to post on all of the other forums if they want to. Its called free speech and I don't see anything in the subheading that says "only people who went to USAFA or are/were in the USAF can comment." I mean no disrespect in anyway though and thank you for your service. :thum


As a child of parents who served in the AF for 25 years active duty and are now working as civilians who were furloughed (as LITS mentioned), I don't appreciate parents or cadets complaining about the loss of a flyover that's a waste of money anyway. Is it disappointing? Yes it is, I completely understand that. The roar of jets as they fly over you is an amazing sound and definitely gives you chills while adding that something special to a ceremony. But at the end of the day, they're still going to walk the stage and receive a diploma and a commission. I mean, we could just cut all of the SA graduation ceremonies and just give people a field commission when they arrive at their units. That would save a lot of money.

Then again, the Coast Guard has always had to do more with less so maybe we're just used to it. Welcome to to the other side of the tracks DOD.:welcome1:

How much money does Eagle waste! Is the Coast Guard using tall ships.
 
Two words: Suez Canal.

Here's a quotation from Anthony Cordesman giving the viewpoint on why the previously planned pre-revolution aid package is going through (and I get that this is something reasonable people can disagree over -- just want to try to highlight that foreign aid can be a pretty complex calculation):

But Anthony H. Cordesman, who has served as a consultant for the State and Defense departments and who holds the Burke Chair in Strategy at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, said the administration is right to send the planes.

"If you were to suddenly end this partnership with Egypt -- if you were to make Egypt feel that somehow it were not trusted or second-best, what would the security implications be? It certainly would justify or encourage all of the extremist elements that are trying to push Egypt away from both the peace process and the security partnership with the U.S.," he told FoxNews.com.

He said that the cost of providing the weapons is worth it.

"We need to remember that Egypt isn't just important to Israel. It is critical to us, because it controls the Suez Canal. It has been a vital staging point for U.S. operations in the gulf."

Cordesman argued that the F-16 fighter jets are unlikely to be turned against us or our allies, as they are too complex to be used effectively without U.S. maintenance.

"These weapons systems are certainly extremely effective, but no one can sustain them unless that partnership with the United States continues," he said. "The modern software, the computer systems, the munitions that make this weapons system so lethal -- other than us, there are no alternative suppliers. There are European states who can provide parts of the aircraft, but F-16s and most modern systems are basically dependent on U.S. manufacturers."

"In some ways, the more sophisticated the system, the safer it is to transfer," Cordesman said, while noting that there are still risks.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/0...-route-to-egypt-amid-criticism/#ixzz2MXINbQN3

They had strategic reasons for giving weapons to Iraq and look what that got us!
 
There seems to be little empathy from our Coast Guard brothers in arms. If homeland security decided to do away with Eagle I would understand your feeliings/concerns about politician playing games with a symbol that is dear to all USCGA graduates.

How much money does Eagle waste! Is the Coast Guard using tall ships.
Get your point but you are comparing apples and oranges.

Eagle is not just ceremonial it is also used as a training vessel.
 
How much money does Eagle waste! Is the Coast Guard using tall ships.

Ha...try to find a cadet at CGA or a graduate that would really be that brokenhearted over Eagle going away. But because I feel the need to justify it, its a training ship that all cadets and OCS candidates go on in order to gain the basic seamanship skills necessary for any member of the Coast Guard.

Like Packer said, apples and oranges. A 10 second flyover cannot be equated to a six week training program where you do everything from scrubbing pots and pans at 0100 on the midrats shift to standing helm and lookout watches as a 3/c to conducting navigation briefs and conning the ship as a 1/c. Those times in port when we hold tours open to the public are mere glimpses of what the true mission of Eagle is.
 
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Get your point but you are comparing apples and oranges.

Eagle is not just ceremonial it is also used as a training vessel.

Training for what. Operational Coast Guard uses Tall Ships?
 
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