Nomination Poll

Discussion in 'Nominations' started by MarineDadHopefulNavySon, Jan 22, 2015.

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Is obtaining a MOC nomination necessary when academies are capable of selecting qualified candidates

Poll closed Feb 22, 2015.
  1. Yes

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  2. No

    3 vote(s)
    15.0%
  3. Unsure

    1 vote(s)
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  1. MarineDadHopefulNavySon

    MarineDadHopefulNavySon Member

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    Obtaining a nomination from a MOC is law. But should this law be changed? Should the academies be allowed to select the best possible candidates based on their merits, accomplishments and "whole candidate score." I'm just curious as to what opinion is on a forum such as this.
     
  2. AROTC-dad

    AROTC-dad Just a dad

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    The law ensures geographic diversity, which builds an officer corps that represents the whole of the country.

    Elimination if the law could skew the military leadership toward the most populous, or more wealthy regions.

    The Constitution was written to create representation from the entire country. I believe that our military benefits similarly from the congressional nomination requirement.
     
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  3. falconchic88

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    +1 gokings, I echo what you stated!
     
  4. JShawshank

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    I agree with gokings814 - I think the current system both ensures geographic diversity and gives SAs the ability to choose those with high WCS regardless of where the candidate lives. Technically there are something like 5,300 nominations from MOCs each year and only ~640 ((435 reps+ 100 senators+ 1 VP (ignoring territories) )* 1.2 appointments/yr/MOC) from MOCs each year per academy. That's roughly half the admitted class. The reps are distributed at approximately 1 per 725 thousand US citizens (316million/435 house reps) so populous states/areas should have more attendees than less populous states with the Senators ensuring a somewhat disproportionate weighting to low population states. Those going into the national pool (i.e., with a nom) should still be representative of the highest WCS candidates available in each district/state and can be selected for appointment without regard to geography. Other nominating sources (Presidential, ROTC, etc.) are not geographically limited which allows for additional flexibility on choosing high WCS candidates. This is somewhat borne out in the numbers if you look at a recent article that showed the distribution of MIDN at USNA by state - CA, TX, MD, VA, FL were top 5 at USNA vs population rank of CA, TX, NY, FL, IL (MD is 19th and VA is 12th by population).

    Very long winded but gives some support to the current system, in my opinion.
     
  5. Kirkmanj

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    Gokings814 is spot on. It is a representative system that values state and local rights over central control. No doubt the SA can select qualified individuals, but so can MOC, and nominees must still meet qualifications. Current system ensures that every state and district is represented, which makes sense bc the SA rely on congressional funding!
     
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  6. ThePatternisFull

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    +1.
    There is still a possibility to game the system. One senator in our state nominated an intern from his office. Are they qualified? Do not know. But one could question did his internship help? The process should be opened up and the WCS should be available to each and every candidate. They should be able to know where they rank. (Please keep in mind I am not saying they should know the names of those applying but just the rank and where one stands.) This may help eliminate articles like these...http://www.cincinnati.com/story/new...makers-military-academy-nominations/15676345/
    http://www.cincinnati.com/longform/...emies-congress-nomination-army-navy/15452669/
    Just my opinion.
     
  7. falconchic88

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    I am on my third applicant, and not once have I seen a hint of politics or favoritism in the MOC Nomination process. It was funny seeing that article, my older two were nominated by Boehner!
     
  8. AROTC-dad

    AROTC-dad Just a dad

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    +1 Falcon. This is my second applicant, 12 years apart. Both times the MOC was of a different party from my own. Both times the MOC used a panel interview and no visible politics involved. Both times a successful nomination secured. I believe the vast majority of MOC's respect the process and avoid even the appearance of impropriety.
     
  9. MarineDadHopefulNavySon

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    I completely agree, but I was curious as I've heard grumblings about the process being somewhat political in some areas. In my DS' case, he also received the nom from across the aisle. But I also voted for the Rep. because I like what he stands for, and that's one of the great things about this country!
     
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    The other day I clicked on one of those FB links. It was something like "top ten schools for diversity". I thought it interesting because diversity was based solely on race. One of the greatest strengths (as mentioned above) of the Academies is the geographical diversity and the differences in thought and opinions that brings to the classroom. While race diversity is important and needs to be addressed, I think geographical diversity's contribution to the classroom is greater.
     
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