nomination question

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  1. afforever

    afforever Member

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    My DS received three nominations, Presidential, Congressional and Senator, we were wondering from your experienced, does or will one take precedence over the other when his package is reviewed by the board?
     
  2. bmw17

    bmw17 NWP 2012

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    The nomination is really only a qualifying agent to become a "qualified candidate." You just need to HAVE a nomination. If any of those nominations are principal, however, then your son is practically guaranteed an appointment! Congrats to your son on the nominations!
     
  3. kinnem

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    Short answer is no. There will be three separate competitions with the others on his slate. Whichever one he wins first (assuming the're all competitive nominations) would be the one they'll use. If it's possible that he would win on two different slates then they might play some "games" with which nomination they use for the appointment so they can get the #2 they want. Or, if there are people on both MOC slates they want, then they might use the Presidential for your son. But there really is no precedence.
     
  4. afforever

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    Thank you and clarification

    Presidential-- can that be principal, giving it is from fathers service and only his, no-one else competing?

    Competitive nominations- he is above high on all scores according to counselors visit, and she said all looks great. Your meaning of competitive nomination is??

    Thanks for ur patience on these questions, now that my son has open the door to this path many more parents are asking us the hard questions and we want to make sure we tell them correctly, otherwise we trust the system and be patience for the phone call, BFE or letter from MOC. I have sent all of them to this board, this has been a wonderful resource, thank you!
     
  5. BlahuKahuna

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    Basically, congressional nominations can be one of three types:
    1.Principal/ranked alternates
    2.Prinicpal/unranked alternates
    3.Competitive

    If the principal candidate is fully qualified, the academy must offer them an appointment. If they are not qualified, the academy will either pick the number 2 ranked candidate or one of the unranked candidates.

    In the competitive system, the academy makes the decision of who gets the appointment for each vacancy. So, in effect, all candidates are "ranked" equally.

    Presidential nominations can not be principal.
     
  6. Christcorp

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    Presidential nominations don't use the "Principal" method. The academy can choose up to 100 Appointments using the Presidential Nomination. As for competition, there is around 500+ individuals "Competing". You all get the nomination, that isn't competitive; but only UP TO 100 can actually receive an appointment USING the Presidential Nomination.

    The Competitive, Principal/Ranked, Principal/Unranked is for the "Representative/Senator's" Slots. That's the only place the principal and such applies. The majority of members of congress use the "Competitive" method. Meaning, they submit a slate of 10 names. These are their nominees. NONE on the list is higher ranked than any of the other 9. The academy takes this list of 10, and using THEIR SCORING METHOD, they rank those 10 people. Then, the academy gives the highest scored individual of those 10 names, the appointment. The remaining 9 individuals, get put into a NATIONAL POOL of names where they are ranked by the score the academy gave them. After the academy has given out all the appointments for the members of congress slates; approximately HALF of the incoming class; they will give out the other categories like presidential, ROTC, VP, etc... Then, if they still need more appointees to FILL the class, they go to the national pool and start at the TOP of the list (Remember, they are ranked), and they go down the list until they get the number of appointees they want for that year's class.

    As for your kid being "ABOVE" anyone else, that is subjective. His "High" scores could make him #1 in HIS STATE or HIS Congressional District. And he can easily get an appointment. However; nationally, he may just be average. Put it this way. There WILL be some individuals, who have a LOWER TOTAL SCORE by the academy, who WILL receive an appointment OVER an individual who has a HIGHER TOTAL SCORE. Yes, this is fair. Each representative/senator is allowed "X" amount of cadets at the academy at one time. All of these allotments are "By Law", but they only account for approximately HALF the class. But considering ALL 50 states and ALL 435 congressional districts pay taxes to operate the military academies, it's only fair that all districts are represented. But that means that the individual in District "X" in Arizona who receives an appointment, might have a LOWER score than the individual in District "Y" in California who DIDN'T RECEIVE an appointment. Because in District "Y" in California, the individual who DID receive an appointment, had a HIGHER SCORE than the individual who didn't receive an appointment.

    How high your score is, is relative to whom you are comparing to. Also, competitive, is also relative to whom you are competing against. Initially, an individual is only competing with others in his/her congressional district. Then, those in their state. Then, those nationally.
     

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