Noon Meal Formation -- Location of Company?

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  1. AcademyFriend1

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    Hello, USNA vets! I'm a teacher and one of my students is a member of the class of 2017 at USNA. I will be on the Yard next week and would like to watch noon meal formation and perhaps get a glimpse of him. I recall from a few years ago that the companies line up on the same side each day, making it a bit more likely that I'd be able to spy him out. Does anyone happen to know on what side (as one faces Bancroft Hall) O Company would form up?

    Thanks in advance.
     
  2. USNA2016Dad

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    If your former student is in Oscar Company, he is in either 27th or 28th platoon. They will line up on the right side of Tecumseh Court, as you are looking at Bancroft from Tecumseh. He may be in a back corner or area of the court so you many not get the best view. But don't be shy about moving around to get a better view. Cheers.
     
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  3. Craig

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    They were certainly on the right today
     
  4. AcademyFriend1

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    Thanks so much for the quick and helpful responses.
     
  5. Vista123

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    I had a pickle of a time recognizing my plebe at formation today. I initially recognized him from the back by his gait and when he turned around I was right and it was him BUT later when he marched right past me face first (bald with weird glasses) I didn't recognize him at all. Luckily his dad recognized him.

    So teacher, good luck, but even if you aren't sure it's him you'll get a sense of it.

    Ps
    Iday was hard!!!!
     
  6. LTSackett

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    Hard how? Hot? Hectic? Or just letting go of the DS?
     
  7. kinnem

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    Isn't it interesting how we can recognize our kids. I saw a pic of a med training exercise and just saw the rear of my sons head and his right ear plus maybe a little cheekbone... but I knew it was him and confirmed it with him later. With the high and tights and all the camo my friends always ask, "How can you tell?". :biggrin:
     
  8. Dial the gate

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    kind of a random, kind of related...

    The AFA guys talk about the bus ride as being the big transition for IDay, how some decide the academy (maybe the yelling specifically) isn't for them and they never even get off the bus...is there an equivalent at USNA? Looking at the pics, I can't tell...
     
  9. NROTCHOPEFULDAD

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    There is a lot of yelling and some changed minds while inside Alumni and Bancroft Halls.
     
  10. pleber16

    pleber16 USNA 2016

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    I'd say that march into Bancroft after swearing in. That's when the detailers really start unleashing their wrath on the Plebes. So despite the rest of I-day being hectic and confusing leading up to that, that's the first real eye opening to what the rest of the summer will be like.
     
  11. AcademyFriend1

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    Thanks -- you must be a proud mom!

    My former student is tall, so I thought I might see him (I had a tall rower former student and was able to pick him out a couple of years go), but I know it's a long shot. I will enjoy trying, though!
     
  12. Vista123

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    Random Iday Thoughts/opinions and nonsense ramblings
    I would say overall Iday was harder for the entire family then we expected.

    A general description of the day:
    We dropped son off at his late report time. We took him to the Alumni Hall hugged him goodbye and he went into the Hall. We tried to catch glimpses of him on the United States Naval Academy Yard throughout the day. But we couldn't find him (luckily friends found him and took some photos). We searched for him, went to the parents picnic, watched other kids having to scream their rates from the roof of the midstore, took a tour, got him food for after the oath.

    At 6:00pm we watched him take the oath and then we met for our allotted 45 minutes to say our goodbyes.


    The good…Preparation as parents
    When you get closer to report time parents get information about a class specific (in our case 2017) parents only facebook page. We joined. It was RIDICULOUSLY HELPFUL. As a parent you get all of the information you need to make the entire process easier. From knowing what to have them pack to what you should bring. The moderator has four current/past mids and is full of great information and patiently reanswers every question asked multiple times. The number one thing that I had for me was a big floppy hat. The sun was very hot. They tell you that you will do a lot of walking. Everyone’s idea of a lot is different. I would say we walked 15 miles on Iday alone. We partnered up with good friends for the wkend who also had a 2017 and that mom guessed the same mileage. This was not a day for the younger aged siblings or the grandparents who would have trouble with the heat and walking. It is 18 hours straight in the sun and walking uphills, over bridges, up/downstairs. This was ok for us through as it was just my son, husband and myself. My son LITERALY brought only had his paperwork, wallet, 100.00$ a TI-34 calculator, his retainer and his contacts/glasses.

    The annoying…
    Contacts: My son had trouble deciding whether or not to bring contacts. He needs them for his sport and last year they got to wear them to a baseball game during plebe summer so he decided to bring them. This year he asked to keep his contacts in his case and they made him throw them in the garbage. (he was aware that this was a possibility) Some of this seemed different for different plebes. One boy we met got to keep his toiletries, one had to throw them in the trash. I would suggest considering contacts disposable or not bringing them.

    The Parent Briefing: (sorry if this offends anyone) we went to the parent briefing. I have to say this annoyed me. vice admiral Miller spoke and he was excellent. The academic dean spoke and he was very good, the master chief petty officer spoke and that was also great and informative (this was news to me). A big chunk of the time was spent, however on the football program. This briefing was to the entire group of parents and the seats in the basketball stadium were filled and time was spent showing a slide of the home games and slide of the away games but no mention was made of branches. I would have loved to see information on what mids may do later, branches, cool jobs, etc but a huge amount of time was on football tickets. This is not a football factory, we are not Penn State. No real mention of other sports. It made it seem that the football players were more important. However, this was a small part of a very well run day.

    The bad…
    At 6:00pm we watched him take the oath and then we met for our allotted 45 minutes to say our goodbyes. He met us at our spot completely bald. We sat down and had the small picnic dinner we had brought him (thank goodness we were told this because he wasn’t able to eat too much before hand and then couldn’t eat until 6:30 pm). That's when he told us how hard it was. He was stoic. There were other plebes crying so it could have been worse but is still seemed really bad to me (His mama). We were told that some kids left (I don’t know if that is true). My son was not really prepared. Honestly I read this forum all the time so I new and I warned him over and over and even showed him some posts from this forum, but he didn’t comprehend or process or get it. He thought it would be like NASS (he reported that to be the best wk of his life). It was nothing like NASS. He thought it would be hard but didn’t think it would be hard for him. Surprise. He had a very late report time which made things much harder (no food the entire day, always one step behind where he needed to be etc). When he met us he said they gave him a boxed lunch right before the oath but said they were putting it in his room. He didn’t get his room yet, didn't meet his roommates, didn’t know where his wallet or big white bag was, He wasn't overwhelmed by the yelling, he gets yelled at by Russian coaches all day long (and I am a yeller) He didn't like the feeling of failing at everything he did all day. I know this was hard for all of the kids. And I know the purpose of it. But it is a bit hard to watch.

    I couldn't believe how much they already learned. And there were already some differences. He kept asking what time it was. (in the past he considered 15 minutes late to actually be early).

    But overall it was harder than he expected which made it harder than I expected. Honestly that night my husband had nightmares and I had to keep waking him up. So I guess we weren't prepared either. Hopefully we will get a letter home that will be better or maybe when he gets to call home…
     
  13. usnabgo08

    usnabgo08 USNA 2008/BGO

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    I think the emphasis on the football games isn't so much on the actual games, but more for when good visit times for parents are. In other words, you might want to come on a football game weekend to visit (or totally avoid those weekends) or there might be an away game in the family's hometown and that would be a great opportunity for your MIDN to travel, see the game, and see their family/parents. Regardless of which SA one is at, football dominates the MIDN/cadet fall weekend schedule.

    I think this would be great feedback that USNA should hear about. I would recommend emailing USNA Admissions and let them know this. I'm quite shocked that this isn't talked about!

    From someone who was in this position, trust me that it is hard to stomach during the first few weeks of plebe summer when you can't just seem to do something right! It does get better -- plebe summer is about persistence and learning from what you do wrong (i.e. filtering out the yelling, one-way conversations and taking in the message they are trying to get each plebe to understand). Your son is just one of the few civilians having to understand the now "new" military lifestyle and it isn't easy because that isn't how most people live their daily lives -- so it takes some time to "get with the program" -- but I guarantee that it will happen and it will "click" to your son sooner-or-later. I also got no lunch on I-day. I tried to using a metric to know that I was progressing (no matter how bad the day was or what other things I did wrong were) -- whether that I got a few less (or no) uniform inspection hits, I didn't get follow-on questions to newspaper articles, I got the menu correct, etc. The thinking positive attitude does help and your classmates help -- your best reassurance and support is from them!

    Though plebe summer training regiments have changed significantly over time, VADM Stockdale attributed his success as a POW in Vietnam to his plebe summer experience.
     
  14. SecondTime

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    The information about branches, service opportunities, "cool job" and other such information will come at the appropriate time. IN other words, after your mid gets through the summer.

    Plebe summer is all about transitioning for the plebe AND the parents. As the admiral said: Parents, time to land the helicopter.
    They have made a big decision.
     
  15. grevar

    grevar CGA Admissions Partner

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    Vista123,

    I enjoyed reading your thoughts on Iday. For us, the journey is just beginning. DS completed NASS, and as you say, it was one of "his best experiences". We too try to explain that NASS is not a "taste" of Iday by any stretch, but for now, I don't think he gets it.

    He is leaving next week for the USCGA AIM program, and from what I understand, it a much more realistic view of Swab Summer than NASS is of Plebe Summer. They say 3 in 10 kids quit the AIM program before the weeks is out, so maybe that will open his eyes. I was an enlisted soldier in the Army and I will never forget basic training and the first few days.

    Our DS came from NASS totally sold on the USNA. I am hoping he keeps an open mind to the other service academy possibilities he is exploring.

    I would imagine the senior year in high school will fly by and perhaps a year from now, I will be writing my thoughts on the I-day experience.

    Thanks for contributing. I find reading these boards very helpful.
     
  16. TexasBG

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    Vista123,

    We were also there dropping our DD off. She also attended NASS and loved it. It was really great to see her after the swearing in, but I'm not convinced that's a good thing for both the Plebes and the parents. She actually smiled a little but her eyes also got a little red and watery a couple times. She said quote "This is really hard". It's funny my DD said the same thing about not meeting her roommates, for some reason that really bugged her. I also overheard a lot of other Plebes saying the same thing. I was an AOCS officer, back in the day it was a fairly tuff program so I had an idea what she was in for, my DD thought she did too. It kind of got to my wife, but she maintained. When it was time to form up I gave her some encouraging words. I was very proud that she fell right into line and maintained her composure (but she still looked miserable as did the rest of them).

    I can tell you with certainty that the majority of the kids felt the same way. Many a parent I talked to said the same thing and were worried about there kids failing or quitting. I'm sure the Napsters and priors faired a lot better. Yes these kids are adults, but they are still pretty young. For most of them this will be their first time away from home for any long period of time. The USNA has been dealing with this for many years and the vast majority of the kids do great. I am a BGO and have over 10 Mids active right now (2 in the Class of 2017, BTW no I was not my DD BGO), they all laughed and said they wen't through I Day with the exact same feelings. Just understand when they come out the other end of Plebe summer they have a great future ahead of them. Hang in there and know you are not alone, there about 1200 of us worrying about our Plebes today...
     
  17. engineer

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    Vista123 and other plebe parents -
    DS is class of 2015 and I remember that "IDay look" on his face as if it were yesterday. It was the look that made me want to take him with us when we left that day. It was the look that said, "What have I gotten myself into?" He looked absolutely worn out and miserable. He told me later that he felt totally alone and had been second guessing his decision to attend USNA for about half of IDay. It didn't get better immediately. His first letter home was one line..."This place isn't much fun." He told me July 4th was his worst day. We have a huge family get together every year, and he was sitting out on the field watching fireworks with a bunch of people he didn't know. The next day, one of the plebes gave a bit of a smart alecky remark to one of the detailers' questions, and the rest of the plebes got a good (albeit quiet) laugh......the tide had turned. Most of them survived....a few went home for various reasons. Keep them in your prayers, and encourage them when they are down. It's quite a ride, and we've only finished two years :smile:
     
  18. usna1985

    usna1985 USNA Alumnus

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    From a long-ago plebe whose USNA roommate just watched a son on I-Day . . . I'm convinced the parents feel and remember a lot more than the plebes. I have almost no memories of I-Day . . . the little I do remember comes from the photos my parents took.

    The lack of memory is neither a good or bad thing . . . it's just that so much is going on and SO much is still to come. I now realize that my parents had dozens, hundreds, thousands of swirling emotions. Pride, fear, anxiety, thrill . . . the whole gamut.

    It's a journey and this is but an initial step. Most grads I know share my experience in that, as the years go by, they remember less and less of I-Day. Instead, their memories are filled with certain moments of PS and the rest of their four years.

    Don't agonize for them because they aren't agonizing. It may seem like it but they are maturing, learning, and growing as adults and soon-to-be Naval/USMC officer.:smile:
     
  19. AcademyFriend1

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    The comments of the parents of former "NASS"tees who are now plebes are particularly interesting to me. I've had a number of students take part in NASS (or similar SA summer programs, although not USCGA) and come back thrilled and delighted. It's definitely a great marketing program for USNA, and I do think at least some kids learn they want nothing to do with a military lifestyle, but it does not ease the "shock of capture" of Plebe Summer (or Beast, or BCT). I earned a commission in the USMC via PLC many, many years ago, so I try to gently caution about expectations for basic training versus the Disney version of SAs, but the message rarely gets through. Well, we all became as wise as we are now through sad experience, right? :wink:
     
  20. bandad

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    Vista123,

    We dropped our DS off a little after 6AM as he had a 630 Report Time. He was ready to go and didn't want any more words of wisdom from dad :smile:. I did get him to stop for one more picture but I knew that was it. I think his day went about as he expected although he didn't really say much when we talked to him after the Oath. His roommates didn't appear in his room until late in the day and he was disappointed about that. One of his friends in another company said the same about roommates. They both seemed to be hanging tough and I reminded them that everyone would have "their" day. We had three Mids in our after the Oath group, and we all had a good visit. I got some good pics of the march back into Bancroft. Hang in there and I know I cannot wait until next Sunday for the call. I think this next week will be critical for the Mids as they make their adjustment to a new life.

    bandad
     
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