Pima
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-Bull- is correct the attitude of what the Navy can do for me will result in despising the Navy.
I still cannot understand the level of anger/vitriol being leveled at the Navy because it was only 100K and not 180K.
As P-Flying stated alot goes into their education besides the tuition, The SA's state that their education = a 400K scholarship. Now, we all know there is no college in our country that charges 100K a yr. We also understand that number includes the cost of training them, i.e. summer deployments, stipends, and the cost of personnel to teach them.
Same for ROTC. There is a staff at every ROTC, and that has a cost associated with them. They do summer training, flying them, feeding them, training them comes with a cost. They receive uniforms at no cost, that costs money. They get stipends monthly and book reimbursements, that is a part of the tally too. For AFROTC when you get to advanced standing C300, the stipend is yr round, that alone is over 12K for your last two yrs, add in the first 2 yrs and the number is @20K tax free, add 4 yrs of books and you are @24K.
Now go back and add in summer training where you receive TDY pay, air fare and training, I am sure you are looking at about 5-6K.
Total now = 30K
Add in uniforms, including ABUs, PT and service plus boots, shoes, belts, name tags, rank, etc. and that easily comes in @ 2K. Don't believe me go check out how much a service uniform costs.
Total = 32K
Staff to process your paperwork, train you, and conduct ROTC classes cost money. Little known fact ROTC dets/brigades actually pay rent to the college for the building they are housed in. Good day let's say 8K per cadet/mid
Total = 40K
Add into the fact that non-scholarship cadets like your nephew will get the same uniforms, same leaders/instructors, BUT will never pay a dime for it. The cost is covered by the service, thus when you start dividing that up it will tally thousands.
Before you state they shouldn't include these issues in their 180K tally...OKAY, let's go with that. The military believe it or not is a business and they have a budget where they credit and debit every account.
They have stated that the actual cost to the Navy is 180K in your mind, everyone else agrees it is up to 180K. You have a job, did you take it for only the paycheck? Or like most weighed the bennies that have an indirect cost. I.E.: 2 companies are recruiting you, both have the same salary, but 1 gives you more leave and better medical. Who do you choose? Dollars for donuts it is the one with better bennies. That costs the company in their bottom line, and to them it equates into a higher cost over your salary. It is business.
Now let's go back to the 40K which I would say is very low and the 100K scholarship, it is at 140K.
Finally P-Flying is right, you could be royally boffed in the AFROTC system because he could have received a Type 7. That means unless the school accepts IS prices he would not get to use the scholarship. In case you don't know 7 is the most common scholarship, I believe if it is still the same 75% get Type 7, the majority do convert to 2 3 yr, but that means as freshman they have no scholarship at all. The grass is not always greener.
I still cannot understand the level of anger/vitriol being leveled at the Navy because it was only 100K and not 180K.
As P-Flying stated alot goes into their education besides the tuition, The SA's state that their education = a 400K scholarship. Now, we all know there is no college in our country that charges 100K a yr. We also understand that number includes the cost of training them, i.e. summer deployments, stipends, and the cost of personnel to teach them.
Same for ROTC. There is a staff at every ROTC, and that has a cost associated with them. They do summer training, flying them, feeding them, training them comes with a cost. They receive uniforms at no cost, that costs money. They get stipends monthly and book reimbursements, that is a part of the tally too. For AFROTC when you get to advanced standing C300, the stipend is yr round, that alone is over 12K for your last two yrs, add in the first 2 yrs and the number is @20K tax free, add 4 yrs of books and you are @24K.
Now go back and add in summer training where you receive TDY pay, air fare and training, I am sure you are looking at about 5-6K.
Total now = 30K
Add in uniforms, including ABUs, PT and service plus boots, shoes, belts, name tags, rank, etc. and that easily comes in @ 2K. Don't believe me go check out how much a service uniform costs.
Total = 32K
Staff to process your paperwork, train you, and conduct ROTC classes cost money. Little known fact ROTC dets/brigades actually pay rent to the college for the building they are housed in. Good day let's say 8K per cadet/mid
Total = 40K
Add into the fact that non-scholarship cadets like your nephew will get the same uniforms, same leaders/instructors, BUT will never pay a dime for it. The cost is covered by the service, thus when you start dividing that up it will tally thousands.
Before you state they shouldn't include these issues in their 180K tally...OKAY, let's go with that. The military believe it or not is a business and they have a budget where they credit and debit every account.
They have stated that the actual cost to the Navy is 180K in your mind, everyone else agrees it is up to 180K. You have a job, did you take it for only the paycheck? Or like most weighed the bennies that have an indirect cost. I.E.: 2 companies are recruiting you, both have the same salary, but 1 gives you more leave and better medical. Who do you choose? Dollars for donuts it is the one with better bennies. That costs the company in their bottom line, and to them it equates into a higher cost over your salary. It is business.
Now let's go back to the 40K which I would say is very low and the 100K scholarship, it is at 140K.
Finally P-Flying is right, you could be royally boffed in the AFROTC system because he could have received a Type 7. That means unless the school accepts IS prices he would not get to use the scholarship. In case you don't know 7 is the most common scholarship, I believe if it is still the same 75% get Type 7, the majority do convert to 2 3 yr, but that means as freshman they have no scholarship at all. The grass is not always greener.
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