NROTC Status changed...to "we are sorry, you were not selected for a scholarship"

For those that had the blank after Selection Status last week, my son's status was updated today. He got a 4 year, but at his 4th choice school.

Good luck to those still waiting. :thumb::thumb:

Proud Mom, what university will your DS be attending?
Congrats!
 
Proud Mom, what university will your DS be attending?
Congrats!

He was awarded the scholarship to North Carolina State, but wants to switch to Virginia Tech. He actually said when he saw the update, "that's nice but I am going to Tech".
 
What were his second and third choices?

Univ. of FL and Boston U -- technically
In his heart there is only one choice, he had to put 5 choices on his app so he put schools with Aerospace engineering. Once he visited Va Tech he knew there were no other schools for him.
 
DS also loved VT and has accepted an NROTC MO scholarship there (1st choice and in-state). Great school, great academics and an outstanding Corps of Cadets to boot....whats not to like? Good luck to all!
 
HAHA

Just love when you have been accpeted to an ivy league school and the Navy doesn't think that you're qualified enough to gat a scholarship!!! That makes tons of sense!
 
Just love when you have been accpeted to an ivy league school and the Navy doesn't think that you're qualified enough to gat a scholarship!!! That makes tons of sense!
Maybe the Navy and Ivy League schools are not looking for the same person?
 
Just love when you have been accpeted to an ivy league school and the Navy doesn't think that you're qualified enough to gat a scholarship!!! That makes tons of sense!

scholarships are still being awarded, unless you have received notification of denial, there is still a chance that one will be awarded....look at your glass as half full, not half empty.:thumb:
 
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Maybe the Navy and Ivy League schools are not looking for the same person?
That's more of a likelihood than a maybe.

In order of importance:

Navy:
-Desire to Serve as a Naval Officer
-Leadership & Community Involvement
-Academic promise in Engineering and Sciences (STEM)
-Physical Fitness/Athletic Coordination

Ivy League:
-Academic promise in any field
-Leadership & Community Involvement
-Letters of Recommendation
-Well articulated reason to want to study at the specific school

The two selection committees only partially overlap in the selection criteria.
 
Not to be rude, but people forget scholarships are a part of business. Ivies want to tout their students on an academic basis only. ROTC touts their cadets from a WHOLE PERSON perspective.

This Jersey Girl is biting her tongue right now re: a certain horse and how it was rode.
 
Perhaps this is another reason why the Navy isn't in a hurry to award ROTC scholarships to Ivy League schools...

From fox new.

In light of the repeal of the military's “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy against openly gay servicemembers, some elite colleges and universities that have long banned ROTC programs on campus have begun considering changes in their policies.*

But some military advocacy groups say change is not happening fast enough, and these schools continue to find more excuses to keep ROTC off campus.

Now there is a growing movement to enforce an existing law that prohibits giving federal funds to such institutions.*

The colleges' “whole justification of 'don't ask, don't tell' (to ban ROTC) was not a really honest reason to begin with,” says Danny Gonzalez, director of communications for MoveAmericaForward.org. “I think many of these Ivy League schools … have had an anti-military bent since the Vietnam War.”*

MoveAmericaForward.org is one of a growing number of organizations and groups calling for enforcement of the Solomon Act, a 1995 law that allows federal funding to be withheld from universities that shut out ROTC.*


The law was upheld by the Supreme Court in 2006 but has not been used against any universities by the federal government.*

“We’re paying our taxes for all of these schools,” Gonzalez says. “And the American people want to know the military is not being slandered and that their tax dollars are going to institutions that support our troops.”*

Enforcement of the Solomon Act means a lot of money is on the line for universities. For example, in the fiscal year 2010, Harvard received $621 million in federal funding; Yale received $510.4 million; and Stanford received approximately $880 million. Brown University and the University of Chicago also risk losing federal funding by banning the ROTC.*

In a recent letter to President Obama, California Rep. Duncan Hunter called for the White House to ensure universities “open their doors” to the ROTC, and if necessary, to use the powers of the Solomon Act to do so.*

“Several of America’s elite colleges and universities—including Columbia, Harvard, and Yale – have repeatedly denied students the opportunity to participate in ROTC on campus,” Hunter says.*“Many of these same institutions, fueled by new elements of anti-military activism, continue to deny students the opportunity to pursue a career in the military or even consider the education benefits and life experiences that are unique to military service.”*

Since Congress repealed the military's gay ban late last year, several universities have begun exploring the return of ROTC to campus.*

Harvard President Drew Faust gave this statement following the U.S. Senate vote: “I look forward to pursuing discussions with military officials and others to achieve Harvard’s full and formal recognition of ROTC. I am very pleased that more students will now have the opportunity to serve their country.”*

Brown University President Ruth J. Simmons formed a committee to “evaluate our current policies on ROTC, and to make recommendations with respect to the appropriate role for Brown in officer training programs.” The committee is scheduled to give a progress report on their work on March 15.*

Yale University has taken the biggest actual steps in returning the ROTC to campus. President Richard C. Levin says his administration will be discussing the matter with faculty during the spring semester, after the university sends an embassy to Washington to determine the military’s interest in establishing an ROTC unit at Yale.*

“We are very hopeful that these discussions will enable us to begin a new chapter in the long history of Yale’s support of the U.S. Armed Services,” Levin said in a statement.*

Columbia University’s recent town hall meetings on whether the ROTC should be allowed back on campus made national headlines after students heckled an Iraq war veteran speaking at the meeting. Some students laughed and others yelled "racist!" at Anthony Maschek, a Columbia freshman and former army staff sergeant who was awarded the Purple Heart after being shot 11 times in a fire fight in northern Iraq in February 2008.*

The Columbia University Senate, whose members include administrators, faculty, and students, commissioned a task force to gather campus opinion on the issue of ROTC returning to campus.*

The task force is scheduled to report the results to the senate on March 4, and a final decision will be made in April.

Stanford University has also commissioned a committee to deliberate whether Stanford should reinstate the ROTC program.*

Some against the return of ROTC are saying the repeal of "don't ask, don't tell" didn’t completely end discrimination in the military, and that transgender individuals still can’t serve in the armed forces.*

“Repeal of 'don't ask, don't tell' was a huge step forward in terms of GLB (gay, lesbian and bisexual) rights, but only in GLB rights. There’s not that piece there for trans people to join (the military),” says Stanford Senior Christopher Bautista. Bautista, himself a member of the transgender community, knows of other transgender individuals who are fit for and interested in serving our country in the military, but are unable to because of the continued discrimination.*

Until they are allowed to, he says, the ROTC shouldn’t be allowed back on Stanford’s campus.*

“If the ROTC were to return it would tell trans people that they’re not important enough, and they’re still marginalized…I would just be really disappointed.”*

Others say even with the gay ban repeal, inequality throughout society still exists for homosexuals because of bans on same-sex marriage, and until those inequalities are also gone, ROTC shouldn’t be allowed on campus.*

Gonzales says arguments like this don’t really have a place in the discussion of ROTC returning to university campuses. “To us that seems totally illogical. It’s not our military’s responsibility to fix the problems in society.”*

Such arguments, Gonzalez says, are proof that "don't ask, don't tell" wasn’t the real issue universities had with the military. “They’re using that excuse that whole time. Now they’re trying to find further excuses to why they still can’t let ROTC back on campus.”*

Several Ivy League institutions are already working towards establishing an ROTC on campus, according to Col. Russell Carriker, acting commander for Air Force ROTC Headquarters. “Part of the first step (in establishing an ROTC on campus) is the university expressing interesting in doing that.*

There are several Ivy League universities that are doing that.” Carriker says the institutions have asked to not be named at this point, but says there have been some good discussions thus far.
 
Thought you would say that...

Obviously this would be the case if I wasn't an All-Area athlete, and captain of two different sports teams, and leadership ability demonstrated in multiple capacities. And...you obviously don't know anything about the admissions process at any high level university, because unless you have a 2400 which I didnt you will not get in without lots of leadership and service to boot. My issue is that people with 1800 sats, and equal leadership to me have gotten the scholarship, I just don't understand why they passed on me!!!
 
We're confusing the issue.

ROTC offers plenty of scholarships to students at Columbia (drills, classes and Labs in the Fordham Battalion at either Fordham campus... Manhattan or Bronx). Likewise, scholarship students at Harvard, Yale, etc. participate in cross town partner programs.

The Ivy League ROTC debate is about having ROTC "on campus"... having the classes, Labs and PT drilling, along with Professor of Military Science with offices, etc., on the physical campus.
 
@ what?

I'm sorry for your disappointment, or rather "lack of appointment".

There are many roads to accession to an officer commission in the Navy ... Officer Candidate School, NROTC contract while in college (with or without scholarship), etc. Then there are the other Service Branches: Army ROTC or Army Reserves, Air Force ROTC, etc.

I don't agree with what you've stated. Getting into an Ivy League school depends on selection criteria very, very different from those used to select future Junior Officers. Leadership (which is not necessarily the same thing as Team Captain or Class Officer) is considerably more important to ROTC than to the Ivies... you could even say it is THE defining criterion for ROTC and the Academies. Leadership is not negotiable, whereas academics need only be strong enough to make it through. In the same way, physical fitness (weight, strength, endurance) and coordination are important in military service, but not at all to the Ivies. If you think Leadership and IQ/Academic ability are necessarily correlated, well, you just haven't experienced enough of life to know that is usually not the case. I will add that a person that is a "High Achiever" is also not necessarily expected to be a person known as a "Leader". At least 75% of the students currently on Ivy campuses would not present the physical and leadership qualities that ROTC and the Academies require.
 
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NROTC status update via Website

Has anyone recently been offered a NROTC scholarship? If so, when was your info updated via website. Thank you
 
@ Eaven--I was recently offered a scholarship. I got a call on monday (2/28) from my recruiter/scholarship coordinator. I then checked the status website and it had been updated. It was not updated when I checked the previous friday.
 
Not sure where to post this, but here is as good as any.

I just received this email from the XO at my DD's #2 application choice of NROTC Unit -- a Private University in the USNWR top 75 this is, as are all privates, expensive.

XO said:
"I am not surprised that your daughter hasn’t heard yet, the competition this year went up significantly: more, better applicants competing for fewer scholarship slots.

We also have an in-state, out-of-state quota being applied for the first time.

Bottom line is that we are already full at XX and even if she gets a scholarship she would only get a slot with us if someone already on the list decides not to come – every year there are a few who don’t end up taking their scholarships but only a few.

The comment about in-state vs. Out of State Public+Private is telling about what NSTC is doing to do more with less budget. My take on this is that scholarships to NROTC Units at Private Universities will/have significantly decrease, while scholarships to the in-state cross-town affiliates to these Privates will increase. A shift of dollars from $42,000 tuition schools to $8,000 tuition schools can mean 25% less budget but the same # of mids at these Batallions anchored by an elite Private University.

The net of this is that the social experience for the mids at the elite Private will change... though the size of the Battalion will be the same, there will be far fewer fellow Host Private students in the very Labs and ROTC classes on the Host Private campus, and more students in Host's Labs and Classes from the cheaper state school down the road. In other words, a Private University Unit of 35 will become a Unit of 20... or a Unit of 20 will become a Unit of 12, while the cross-town Units of that Host Battalion hosted will get larger. The sense for the MDN of being a part of something larger, something socially significant, and a Host Private having the size of Unit that catches the attention of fellow students at the Host Private's school, will diminish.

Yet, these are self sacrificing, mature young adults, and I'm sure they'll adjust and be just fine.
 
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Obviously this would be the case if I wasn't an All-Area athlete, and captain of two different sports teams, and leadership ability demonstrated in multiple capacities. And...you obviously don't know anything about the admissions process at any high level university, because unless you have a 2400 which I didnt you will not get in without lots of leadership and service to boot. My issue is that people with 1800 sats, and equal leadership to me have gotten the scholarship, I just don't understand why they passed on me!!!

Believe me, I'm sure all the parents here are well versed in the admission process of all levels of universities. Most of us start thinking about it the day the kids are born.

I think your looking at this in a simplistic way.

There are a lot of factors in play this year that have not been the norm over the past few years. This year it seems that a lot has to do with your school selections on your application. The Navy and Army require a list of school choices. The Air Force is a completely different animal, they offer true national scholarships and the cadet then take the scholarship to a school that has a AFROTC unit.

If you read the post earlier on this page you will see that the Navy now has a State / Out of State quota for the first time this year.

I see you made the comment that other applicants with 1800 SAT's and other stats similar to yours received offers. The question is to what schools did they receive the offer. If an applicant only lists high priced Ivy and private schools or out of state schools there chances will be limited. On the second board for the AROTC they have been offering less choices and in some cases only in state offers and some of those have only been 3 year offers. By their own statement the Navy is filling quotas for less expensive schools.

Your non selection could have more to do with filling quotas then your qualifications. An applicant equal to you that listed a state school as a first choice may now have a better shot then one that listed only out of state and private schools. There are a lot of great applicants that will not receive scholarship offers this year. Not too many years ago most ROTC cadets were not on scholarship, the rise in scholarships started a few years back and with current budget conditions and the draw down in the military I can see that happening again soon.

There are many paths to receiving a commission, with or without a scholarship.

I wish you the best of luck in whatever path you choose
 
West Point did it last year. In early April they sent out letters/emails to a large number of applicants changing their reply date from May 1 to April 15th. I have a copy of it somewhere that I saw from our RC and from another parent. The general wording was simply "if you do not accept the appointment before April 15th, your file will be closed".

Have to agree. Daughter was a tad bit pressured to accept her appointment sooner rather than later. But, on the bright side, we were able to start getting all those documents completed and submitted. I didn't know there be so many dr. appointments that she would have to make!
 
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