Number of slots

Discussion in 'Air Force Academy - USAFA' started by Strike Eagle, Feb 9, 2011.

  1. Strike Eagle

    Strike Eagle USAFA Cadet 2015

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    OK, so I hear about how USAFA gets hundreds of pilot slots or so each year. Now, do these numbers (I hear they can be up to almost 500 or 600 or so) only include pilot slots? Or does this large number include navigator and other rated slots?
     
  2. Pima

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    The thing to remember is what is coming down the pipeline today, may not be what will come down in 4 yrs from now.

    The only guarantee you have is that the AF will always give 1st to the AFA, with the largest number. Nobody here can tell you that the class of 13, 14, 15, or 16 will have around the number that 10 and 11 got.

    You should never attend the AFA only to be a flier. You attend because you want that education and lifestyle.

    There will never be a promise that you will get UPT, or a specific type of airframe...Fighters, Bombers, Heavies.

    Go back to 93, after the Big RIF. Cadets who entered in 89 did not think the UPT pipeline would be shut down so drastically that top UPT grads were offered FAIP or Buffs. !5's and 16's were not coming down.

    It is great to have this dream, and do everything in your realm to obtain it, BUT, if your only dream is to fly and not to serve in the AF...wearing the blues, not the bags, than maybe you should re-think why you want to go to the AFA.

    For example:
    ~ 3 yrs ago, the class of 12 didn't hear a whisper of force re-shaping, but here it is now.
    ~ 2 yrs ago the class of 13 didn't hear about RIFs, but they are doing it.
    ~ 1 yr ago the class of 14 didn't see less apptmts coming down for 15, yet only in the past month or so they have announced the AFA will have smaller class sizes for 15 and 16.

    That is just the past 3 yrs!

    Have the dream of flying, but accept the fact that the AF controls part of that dream and there is nothing you can do about that fact.

    Go because you want to wear the Blues, not because you ONLY want to wear a bag.

    OBTW, that gpa at the AFA will matter if you get the UPT slot...traditionally the good news is, if you want it you got it. Bad news is when you hit UPT your instructors do not care if you are a ring knocker or not when it comes to grading/busting you on a flight.
     
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  3. Christcorp

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    As Pima was saying, it's not like it's a 3rd party agency with all these slots, and they're dishing out "X" to the academy, "Y" to ROTC, etc... It's basically the air force academy that has the slots. It's what they don't use, for whatever reason, gets funneled down to ROTC and the likes. And yes, this is all rated slots.
     
  4. Strike Eagle

    Strike Eagle USAFA Cadet 2015

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    Ok, thank you for your answers! My question has been answered.
     
  5. raimius

    raimius USAFA Alumnus

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    Word from the General in AFPC a few years ago was more like "USAFA= 40%, AFROTC= 40%, AFOTS= 20% of AD UPT slots." It isn't "whatever USAFA doesn't take, everybody else gets." USAFA will ask AFPC for a certain number of slots for each AFSC, but AFPC chooses which commissioning source gets what. Realistically, USAFA is probably the best insulated from drastic changes, AFROTC 2nd, and AFOTS varies wildly.
     
  6. Pima

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    I agree, but also from a statistical percentage, you have to see that AFROTC corp size is not the same as AFA, which means AFA statistically have a higher chance of getting a flight school.

    Rule of thumb for AFA, graduate regardless of gpa, and you have a shot.

    AFROTC, your true shot is to graduate with at least a 3.0 gpa.

    Two different things.

    Now, let's take this out a little bit further.

    1. AFA has announced smaller class sizes for 15/16
    2. Traditionally 25% will not be commissioned as an AFA grad.

    That means even though you have a greater chance of UPT, getting there is not fait accompli just because you are an AFA grad.

    Plus, once you get to UPT your past is past. The scoring starts all over again, and you don't get bonus points on a check ride because what your college ring looks like. Bullet's crew mate at FTU decades ago was an AFA grad, and out of the 16 students, he was the only one to be FEB.

    AGAIN...BLUES before BAGS.

    I will say I know this yr for AFROTC the flying selection is the highest it has been in yrs. 800 are coming down. 500 UPT, 300 CSO/UAV

    However, just because this number is the largest doesn't mean in 4 yrs it will be the same.
     

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