One more thing about this election

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  1. NorwichDad

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    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    Compare the poverty level of PR to a U.S. state. HUGE differences.
     
  3. Melitzank

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    51 states? Nothing against Puerto Rico, but 50 just seems better. Nice even number. I don`t know about another state. I guess it would be weird, since I`ve lived in only a time where there`s been 50 states.
     
  4. NorwichDad

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    C'mon

    We are adders and multipliers. My Avatar is 15 stars from 200 years ago. Just before the War of 1812, my ancestor had to leave Ireland over a matter of some stolen British horses. Had to leave quickly. Those states must thave been pretty poor then too. If we need another to keep it even, take one from Canada. They wont notice.
     
  5. Melitzank

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    Well, if that`s what people want, I`m not going to be some closed-minded individual and say, "No, it`s my country, we don`t need another state", but it`ll take some time getting used to, a 3rd non-contiguous state, and the first new one since I`ve been born (Since a lot of us have been born!). It`s just kind of funny, because we had a very nice number, 50. Went to 49 to 50, now 51.
     
  6. goaliedad

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    Seriously doubt Congress will act on it. Probably would be viewed as a blue state and thus be blocked by the red party. Might impact a close election.

    As to the adding of stars, note that we didn't have a flag change between 48 and 50 (although the time period was short). However to get 51 stars, we could go to 6 rows alternating 9 and 8 stars to get a uniformly rectangular field. It would require a reproportioning of the blue area of the flag to make it look regular though.
     
  7. Boozebin

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    Politics can be interesting that's for sure. As for Congress not acting on this I think it would hurt. A lot of the coverage during election day talked about the growing Latino vote an the big impact it is having on elections. I think ignoring this or not letting it pass would galvanize the Latino vote even more. A rallying cry type thing and that might be less of an impact than having one more blue in the House and two more in the Senate (the Senate being the bigger gain).

    And for perspective, I am from Puerto Rican decent (both mom and dad born there) and my sister is federal judge in P.R. And I talked to her about it and this isn't over in P.R. just yet. The referendum, as written, was very confusing in its wording and being such an important decision and being fairly close this will be looked at again. Also take into account the Governor that lost his election was very disliked and he was pro-statehood and the new one isn't for statehood. If I was against this I would reach out to those in PR that are against this and work it that way.

    Now I love and respect my ancestry but this would be a huge financial impact to us the american people. While yes as a commonwealth they are entitled some federal benefits but they aren't entitled to all of them. The island is suffering right now the census is showing less population not because they're not having kids but because people are leaving. There aren't any opportunities. Yes we'll tax them now but what will come in will be nothing compared to whats going out. This is not what our budget needs right now.

    Weird election for me living in Colorado passing marijuana and now PR. We are living in some interesting times. :thumb:

    Will
     
  8. Packer

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    My thoughts exactly.
     
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    Magnum Incendia Roma. And that's all I have to say about that.:thumb:
     
  10. Boozebin

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    Just so I understand the reference are you saying this was orchestrated to create a new "house" like Nero did? If so I don't think so this topic. Puerto Ricans have been looking and voting on this topic since the 60s. Whole party platforms in PR are built around this topic.

    But once again it is convient for island swing this way since the economic crisis is hurting them so badly. So in my opinion it's a "Oh man we're drowning here lets use our status to force the US to accept us and give us money."
     
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    "give us money" is the main factor for the current vote. Commonwealth Status has "I think" been an advantage for Puerto Rico "specifically many tax advantages as a Commonwealth and corporations taking advantage of the current status". If Statehood benefits the Island I can't see it. Then again I may be very very wrong. If I had a personal interest my opinion might be much different.
     
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  12. Jason922

    Jason922 Future USNA Candidate '20

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    Whats wrong with a country being supported by the United States joining?
     
  13. Melitzank

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    One other thing to consider is that only a little only 60% voted to join the U.S, so I think it would be unfair to make it a state when only a little over 1/2 of their own people support the change. I mean, not everyone will ever be pleased with everything, that`s almost impossible, but...with that low of a vote, it seems like it should be at least 80% or so.
     
  14. NorwichDad

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    The Current Process for statehood

    The territory holds a referendum vote to determine the people's desire for or against statehood.

    Should a majority vote to seek statehood, the territory petitions the U.S. Congress for statehood.

    The territory, if it has not already done so, is required to adopt a form of government and constitution that are in compliance with the U.S. Constitution.

    The U.S. Congress - both House and Senate - pass, by a simple majority vote, a joint resolution accepting the territory as a state.

    The President of the United States signs the joint resolution and the territory is acknowledged as a U.S. state.
     
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    States Leaving the United States

    The United States Supreme Court ruled in Texas v. White, 74 U.S. 700 (1869) that unilateral secession was unconstitutional while commenting that revolution or consent of the states could lead to a successful secession.
     
  16. Jason922

    Jason922 Future USNA Candidate '20

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    We already have a flag planned out.
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