Pentagon's second thoughts on Iraq withdrawal

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  1. Chockstock

    Chockstock "Forever One Team"

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    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_us_iraq_second_thoughts

    Hmm...I wonder if they will be saying something like this again come 2012.
     
  2. GSKeziah

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    Would it be worth it to just dump all the work we've done in Iraq like Sen. Lindsey Graham says?
     
  3. hornetguy

    hornetguy USAFA Cadet

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    Yet, at the same time, can we afford to keep it? With our own budget issues, mission in Afghanistan, and a third front, can we keep spending billions? Would you stay in Iraq 10 more years? 20? 50? 100? "till the job is done?" We've taken an advisory role, do we need to keep 43K soldiers on the ground? Would it be incredibly difficult to mini-"surge" if absolutely necessary?

    Look, spending in FY11 for Iraq is going to be $55B. Afghanistan will be $120B. Congress nearly shut the gov't down for $38B, and that wasn't considered MONUMENTAL. Current U.S. debt is $14T, the wars have so far cost us $1.2T. So, yes, I think it's a good question to ask if it is worth staying. What we've done so far is a sunk cost. In treasure and blood. A good investor, gambler, and business man knows when to fold their hand before losing it.

    Can we afford to stay? And do we need to? I'm not wholly confident in Sen Graham's thoughts on the topic.

    http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL33110.pdf
     
  4. GSKeziah

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    Thanks for your comment very good points! I hope other people do it as well its very interesting.
     
  5. MemberLG

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    I see it as pay now or pay later

    We could save on our current defense spending by not keeping troops in Iraq. However, what are we going to do if things get bad in Iraq after our total withdrawl? It didn't take too much for us to get involved in Libya.

    The DoD could be smart about how we keep troops in Iraq, based on the political settlement. We could ask Iraq to contribute (as we do in Korea, Japan, Kuwait) to cost of maintaining our troops. We are planning to downsize our overseas committments, so accelerating or restationing some of troops from Korea, Japan, and Europe to Iraq/Kuwait should work. We could also try to reenage other nations to send troops to Iraq again,

    Can't just address Iraq issue without considering everything else.
     
  6. hornetguy

    hornetguy USAFA Cadet

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    typo, my apologies:
    I meant WAS not wasn't.
     
  7. BillSL

    BillSL USMA Class of 2016

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    Have you imagined the outcome?

    I have heard many stories about the U.S. wanting to rise in Iraq a pro-U.S. government (for evident reasons). But I believe it would look ridiculously over the top in the eyes of the Iraqis and International to, well, charge a country that we have invaded?

    I know what you mean with that suggestion. But superficially speaking (which I was, on purpose, doing above) - what most people would see I believe -, this is a very strange plan of action... Know what I mean?
     
  8. MemberLG

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    Yes, I do know what you mean. I think that's the challenge we face today. Instead of applying logic and common sense, most people apply anything but to make decisions.

    - Bush is long gone
    - Can't undo the past
    - Iraq will be better off with some U.S. military presence (my opinion is that unrest created by U.S. military presense will be less than the unrest created by absence of U.S. military in Iraq).
    - Nothing is free.
     
  9. BillSL

    BillSL USMA Class of 2016

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    Yes I agree - but staying there are charging people for something they do not want (obviously, we need data on that - I am not confirming everything, just stating the idea) is absurd - I mean having a military presence. It is not their army or their police force we are talking about. We are talking about our army. We do not want to be seen as mercenaries by the Iraqis and the World. As a matter of fact, "charging" could serve as another reason for Jihad. I don't know.

    I do not see how charging would help the situation.
     
  10. MemberLG

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    wording do matter, but instead of charging, things like "cost sharing," "partial contribution" comes to mind.

    It really doesn't matter what our intention is as rest of the world will form their own opinions.

    We always have to consider the views of others, but ultimately our decisions needs to be based on what serves our interest the most.

    Let us not confuse Jihad vs excuses to attack Amercians. You already gave in to terroists if you acknowledge their activities as Jihad.
     

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