Percentage of ROTC Cadets, Non Scholarship

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  1. joffe

    joffe New Member

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    Does anyone have the figures for the percentage of Army and Air Force ROTC cadets, nationally, who aren't on scholarship? Thanks.
     
  2. Pima

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    The last time I saw numbers for AFROTC, the percentage was @18% nationally for freshmen.

    However, that number does change with the year groups.
    1. Freshmen can apply for the ICSP scholarship. Depending on how many are available it can go up.
    2. Many kids will walk on as freshmen and sophomores. Thus, depending on how many walk on with no scholarship than the % changes.
    3. Scholarship cadets have that 1st yr no penalty repayment aspect. The number can again change depending on how many leave after that year,
    4. AFROTC has a selection board their AS200 yr. for all of their cadets. Having a scholarship is not a factor in their decision to send them to SFT (summer field training). Hence, the number can change again.

    On a whole though, scholarship cadets are the minority for AFROTC cadets.
     
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    The reason I didn't ask about NROTC and NROTC-MO, is because, as i understand it, the Marine Option, for advanced standing is only taking scholarship students, with a two or three year scholarship. NROTC is only accepting College Program, for those who have a realistic chance of qualifying for a two or three year scholarship.

    This raises the question of prior service enlisted. Take for example a prior service Sailor or Marine, who is attending college on their own, using
    post 9-11 benefits as opposed to being selected by MECEP or STA-21. Would they be disqualified, since they're not seeking a scholarship?
     
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    Pima, then in all probability for AFROTC most who attend SFT and continue in the program, until graduation, are in the majority, non scholarship?
     
  6. 5Day

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    Sorry this is way beyond my google search capability. But @NavyNOLA may be able to chime in.

    edit: did you see this, you may even be the op https://www.airwarriors.com/community/index.php?threads/nrotc-prior-active-duty.43700/
     
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    Overall, I would say yes, even at commissioning the majority are not scholarship. However, I would say the percentage is higher than the entering class because you have to add in that ICSP number.

    Think about it this way. HQ AFROTC has a scholarship budget for each commissioning year group. Typically the number of HSSP scholarships offered are around 900. They offer more scholarships than they expect to contract for AS100s. The reason why is they expect some of the recipients to not take the scholarship, be it because they went to an SA or took a different ROTC scholarship (i.e. Army or Navy). Now, if they exceed that number they expected to contract than there is a high likelihood that they will not do an ICSP board, because they are already at their budget projected for that class year.
    ~ That has not happened in the past few years, but it has occurred in the last 5 years.

    However, let's go with 800 is their true magic number. (Caveat I do not know the real numbers, this is just an example). Now when you look at SFT, they usually have @2300 cadets that will be boarded. That means @1/3rd are on scholarship. If they take 2100 for SFT, than the percentage can jump up close to 40%.

    The point is there are just too many variables to state the percentage that are on scholarship as cadets. If you are a candidate for 2021, than impo, the only number to care about is the percentage that get a scholarship, which is @16-18% depending on the pool size.
    ~ Remember AFROTC is not like AROTC or NROTC. The scholarship is NOT tied to the school, just to the cadet and their intended major. AFROTC does not care if 1 college has 100% on scholarship and another has 0%. AFROTC is like NROTC where @85% of the recipients are STEM majors.

    Good luck.
     
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    I'm curious what you're aiming for? What you said above about Advanced Standing and scholarship students doesn't make sense. What are you trying to do? Provide some specifics on what you're looking to accomplish and I can provide a better answer on the NROTC side.
     
  10. joffe

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    Pima and 5Day already answered my questions. Thanks for offering to help.
     

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