PFT Question

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  1. jbrichmond22

    jbrichmond22 Member

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    To Objee or Luigi or anyone who has knowledge on this, please let me know.

    Today I did my PFT for the USCGA, and have already finished my application. I am a two way varsity football starter and we had a game last night; resulting in a fatigued body.

    My scores were as follow:

    Pushups: 59
    Situps: 57
    Mile.5: 9.55.00

    Total: 220.

    I was two points away from a B. My football coach who administered the test believes I should do it again. My problem is, I wont be able to do it again without having football the night before until December. Is this a competitive score and should I keep it, or retake?

    Thanks for any help in advance.
     
  2. Luigi59

    Luigi59 Banned

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    The average score from the Class of 2016 was 215.

    Your 220 score is only slightly above that average.

    If you think you can do better, do it again.

    Do it in the morning, do it on a weekday, there are ways to make it happen other than on a Saturday morning.

    I would never counsel someone to settle for an average score when they know they can score higher.
     
  3. jbrichmond22

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    Thank you very much, I will retake it ASAP.
     
  4. pointguard

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    CGA PFT score,

    Where do you find those values to assign to your results to get that Test Score?
    Thank you.
     
  5. Luigi59

    Luigi59 Banned

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    Page 4 of the PFE manual.
     
  6. pointguard

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    Sorry, I didn't know

    the CGA had a Manual. Thx. It appears they have a different take on the PFE than KP. KP as I understand it has the Candidate do the PFE 'blind', without a Table, such as this from the CGA. FWIW, I think the CGA has it right. The abiity to work toward a Max Goal for me is akin to the Goal of getting in/graduating/making a career in the CGA and CG!
     
  7. jbrichmond22

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    Luigi, one last question for you.

    Can I submit my PFT scores now so that my application can be complete (finished everything else last week), and have it possibly be reviewed, that way I can retake the PFT and update the scores later but have my application in as early as possible? I understand if i can't do this, I just couldn't find it in the manual so I thought I would ask you.

    Thank you for your time.
     
  8. Luigi59

    Luigi59 Banned

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    Repeat after me....

    PFE, PFE, PFE, PFE......(not PFT)

    Take it as often as you want - Submit it once.

    You would need to talk to your Admissions Officer to see if you can update a previously submitted PFE test.
     
  9. jbrichmond22

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    PFE, got it. Thanks for the help.
     
  10. Objee

    Objee USCGA Admissions

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    I would just have your PFE Administrator submit the 220 now if the rest of your application is ready to be evaluated...no sense delaying just for that. If you're waiting on something else, maybe you don't plan to complete your record until after you take the October SAT, then you may want to retake the PFE if you think you can improve your score. An applicant's PFE score rarely (I won't say never) is what keeps them from receiving an appointment, because we can always tender a conditional appointment and just require them to retake the PFE to improve their performance before receiving the full appointment.
     
  11. JMS

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    I'm wondering why the CG uses a different fitness test than the other academies?
     
  12. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    Weird. I was just wondering why the other academies use a different fitness test than the Coast Guard.
     
  13. Objee

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    Applicants to the other SA's complete a Candidate Fitness Assessment (CFA) consisting of:

    Basketball Throw
    Pull-Ups
    Shuttle Run
    Crunches
    Push-Ups
    1 Mile Run

    Applicants to USCGA complete a Physical Fitness Examination (PFE) consisting of:

    Cadence Push-Ups
    Curl-Ups
    1.5 Mile Run

    Cadets/Midshipmen are required to complete a "fitness test" each semester:

    USAFA: Pull-Ups; Standing Long Jump; Sit-Ups; Push-Ups; 600 Yard Run; 1.5 Mile Run
    USCGA: Cadence Push-Ups; Curl-Ups; 1.5 Mile Run
    USMA: Push-Ups; Sit-Ups; 2 Mile Run
    USMMA: Push-Ups; Curl-Ups; 1.5 Mile Run
    USNA: Push-Ups; Curl-Ups; 1.5 Mile Run

    We simply use the same events/test for both our applicants and Cadets. Not sure why the other SA's do not, but I imagine they wanted a common test for all applicants and the CFA was the compromise (since all their tests are different) they came up with.
     
  14. AJM7680

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    The CFA was developed By all the SAs as a compromise so high school athletic and PE personnel would not have to perform multiple tests for the same individual and, hence, lightening their workload. Apparently the CGA doesn't care and has distanced themselves from the compromise.
     
  15. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    Get that man a tissue and some cheese to go with that wine.

    "Why can't we all just use one application and check "USMA", "USNA", "USAFA", "USMMA" and "USCGA" thus saving guidance counselors some time?

    No no, that's too hard too. Maybe we can just send a message on Facebook to an academy and say "please accept me" or just "accept me" if the additional six letters in "please" are too difficult.

    No no, that's too hard too. Maybe just tweet your applications. Hashtag it and be done.

    There are about 15,000,000 high schoolers in the U.S. They call about 18,000 high schools home. Just over 3,000 high schoolers apply to the Coast Guard Academy.

    So out of the 15,000,000 high school students in the U.S., .002% applied to the Coast Guard Academy, or one in every six schools, nationwide.

    High school students have around 60,000 minutes of instructional time per school year.

    If PFT pushups are two minutes, two minutes of curl-ups and lets say, 12 mins for the 1.5 miles run.... we're looking at .026% of the school year being spent on the Coast Guard Academy's PFT.

    Something tells me, AJM, that schools will figure out how to deal with .002% of their populations spending .026% of their time on the Coast Guard Academy's PFT.

    Maybe the other academies should follow that lead.... or maybe they just don't care.
     
  16. USCGA13STN

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    And the winner of all the internets is.... :shake:
     
  17. Objee

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    Unfortunately, I'm not familiar with the history of the CFA, so I'm not sure if USCGA was involved in its development and implementation...it sounds like you think we were and maybe you're correct. What I am familiar with is our application process, so I can tell you that prior to the 2000-01 application year (Class of 2005) we didn't even require our applicants to complete a physical fitness test and we have never required them to complete the CFA. Prior to this year, applicants could submit their CFA results in lieu of taking our PFE, but that policy has been discontinued.
     
  18. AJM7680

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    Approximately ten years ago, representatives of all the SAs met and devised a common physical fitness test, the CFA. Inititally CGA bought into the system but allowed candidates to take either exam. Later on, the recognized both but discouraged the CFA. And as you have stated, now CGA no longer even accepts the CFA. The other SAs somehow manage to glean what they need from the CFA, weighing certain items differently than the other SAs might do. Just a passing observation.







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  19. Luigi59

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    Why do you think they abandon the CFA test once the cadets/mids are enrolled at those academies?

    If such great fitness data was being "gleaned" from the CFA why not continue to use it during their time at the USMA/USNA/USAFA/USMMA? Instead, their candidates take that test once, and never again. As soon as they get there, a different test is used.

    Seems like the USCGA is doing it the right way - using the exact same fitness test for admissions as the fitness test they use at the academy.

    :cool:
     
  20. AJM7680

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    The PFT measures strength and endurance. The CFA supposedly also measures the potential for athleticism. Since athletics is a viable part of the SA experience, I can understand the need for this. However, while I personally can see how the shuttle run might aid in this determination, the basketball throw is beyond me. In answer to your question, once they have been evaluated for the baseline "athleticism", it is no longer an issue.
     

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