Pilot Slot 2012 AFROTC

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  1. ryguy115

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    What does the outlook for AFROTC pilot slots look like this upsoming year 2012. Good/Bad? Also, what things should i focus on the most (TBAS, AFOQT, Flying Time)
     
  2. Pima

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    Nobody here knows the outlook for rated slots for 2012. Let me rephrase anyone that knows the outlook would never tell you because it would be classified. I get your anxiety, but you are in the same boat as your peers in this matter.

    Regarding what to concentrate on?

    All of them, plus your CoC rec, PFT, and your cgpa. OBTW your SFT ranking will also come into play. This is now all about OML.

    It is also ADAF, not det by det. If 100% of the AFA cadets go rated, that means there will be less slots for AFROTC. To calm your fears for the past 2 yrs or so the % of rated slots given to AFROTC requesting it with COMMAND SUPPORT is close to 90%+. DS commissioned in May for his det it was 100%. Nick4060's det was 100% too. Caveat medically pilot qual'd.

    When you take your TBAS if you have flight hours you need to bring your pilot log with you for the test. It is sim. to how TECH get an edge over Non-tech for SFT. In this case it is flight hours.

    OBTW aren't you a nursing slot? If so that is a whole different ball of wax. Nursing is a critically undermanned field. I am not sure they would release you to go and fly a plane.
     
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  3. ryguy115

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    Pima, what do you mean by command support? What do flight hours have to do with the TBAS? Also, your major has no effect on whether one gets a slot or not. Thanks for your post btw!
     
  4. kevster

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    ryguy flight hours are factored into your PCSM score (Pilot AFOQT + TBAS score). I'm pretty sure that if you have hours you need to bring your log book when you take the TBAS so the score can be increased.

    In regards to the "Major has no effect" comment, I might slightly disagree. I certainly get what you are saying, for instance a Theater major is not at a disadvantage when competing with a Aero major. As long as you get a degree you can compete.

    However, I think Pima is correct when it comes to "critically undermanned field" part. Right now I think its pretty hard for Lang Majors, EE Majors and Nursing Majors to pick up slots. We had a EE major who ranked very high and had a 3.6 GPA get passed over for a slot. Why? The AF needs EE Majors to be electrical engineers right now. We had a LANG major get a ENJJEPT slot last year but he maxed almost every stat (GPA, PFA, PCSM, ranking...ect).

    Also, I know that for FT if you were a nursing major you were separate from Tech and Non-tech. To me it seems like the AF does this because they are projecting how many nurses they will need later on. I have never heard of a Nursing major, who is meeting standards, getting anything other than nursing as their AFSC.

    I certainly can't point to a document that says the AF does not consider X majors for rated slots but, it seems like if you went to FT as a declared nursing major then the AF will expect you to commission as a nurse. Please keep us posted on this, its a great question! Best of Luck!
     
  5. Pima

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    kevster,

    I can promise you, you need to take the log book with you. DS called us to bring it to him, so he could take it to the test. As a non-tech major, every point counts. Flight hours tell the AF that you have been at the controls of an airplane, the more hours, such as solo or PPL, the more confident they feel you will succeed at IFS and UPT. This is a game of chance for them. The more they feel comfortable with their chances the better. It is like their perception that tech majors are better candidates than non-techs. They are looking to create a lower risk regarding tax payer dollars. It isn't personal, it is business.

    ryguy,

    Kevster was correct when I said your major, as in nursing is considered a critically undermanned field, just like EE's were last yr. It not only happened at Det 330 (Kevster's), but across the nation, I know there is a thread regarding how even SMC dets did not release EE's for UPT. The same was true for certain language majors (Arabaic/Farsi, for example).

    As for the Command support, I should have said Commander's support. You need to take the TBAS, and to do so the det. will set up the time for it. This is not like the AFOQT, where you all take it on one day. It is a one by one test, at det 330, they go to Andrews AFB, it is not given at the det. The det schedules the date and time, not you. Thus, to go for the test your unit knows this is your intention. In our DS's yr group a couple of yrs ago, they didn't send everyone, be it because of academic grades, medical issues or AFSC reasons, they felt it was a waste of time and money to test them when they would not be competitive for the rated board.

    That was his det., it could be different at your det.

    Additionally, the cadets understood this because this was their polite way of saying if you press it, and take the test, I am not going to rank you high enough on your OML to be competitive against your peers. The CoC is part of that OML, and points are awarded for their input. Granted TY that % is much lower, and now the cgpa/TBAS have increased, but it is still part of the OML. 20% is still a huge chunk, especially if you feel that your cgpa/pft are not on the high end. It takes about 10-14 days to get your TBAS result.

    FWIW, I remember when DS took his TBAS, the reason you may have difficulty finding test questions on the net is due to the fact that cadets are told that they cannot share what was asked, even with other cadets. Sharing the info will cause a world of pain if they find out you did. I.E. goodbye!

    Like kevster, I have never heard of a nursing student get a UPT slot in the 4 yrs I have been here on this site. I am not saying it doesn't happen, but take a step back and ask why would they do this for a critical field?

    Talk to your Commander, obviously as a 300 you have at least an idea how it worked for the nursing students in your det over the past few yrs. Kevster and I could be 1000% wrong, pm me and I will give you my home address to send me crow pie to eat. However, asking it here, is just delaying your real chance to find out the truth. Only your CoC will be able to find out officially if you can even go for a rated board.
     
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    and you are certain of this...how? b/c your post rings of certainty, not probability.

    Let's use common sense. I know from reading this website that Nursing is a critical need that the military goes to great lengths to fulfill. Why would any Branch take a perfectly qualified Nursing major, approve them for Flight, and then have to go to extraordinary lengths to find another Nursing major who will actually become a military nurse? It's not about YOU, it's about the NEED.
     
  7. Pima

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    dunninla,

    What I think is ry also doesn't understand the cost associated to UPT and the flying world in the AF. It is millions of dollars spent to train each and every one of them from IFS until they are operational. It is not cheap, and once you place that with a critical field their chances diminish at a very high rate of making budget goal and manpower needs for ADAF. IFS to operational is 2 yrs OBTW, even if they did send nurses, like flight docs how do they keep them up to date for medical training? Is it another school they attend to get them re-certified? Okay, how long is that school? Traditionally, if you don't fly in 23 days or so, you or no longer operational. That means they have to fly and certify at the same time, or go through what is called an X course, which is more money. Now ADAF needs to make sure they have manpower for them and the flight docs when they are doing their sortie, but patients are still needed to be seen. AF flight docs not only see the AD member, but their dependents too...it is a busy office, trust me as a spouse that never had their children seen by a ped., but only a flight doc.

    ry is probably not back at school yet, and this maybe their 1st time that the thought passed their mind. Remember they just went to SFT where, I am sure cadets were talking about career fields. It may be just a passing fancy or curiosity.

    I say that because ry made a comment about flight hours and TBAS. Cadets, even C200's in an AFROTC unit hear the talk regarding 300's taking the TBAS. TBAS is done in the fall, and the 300's rated board meets right around the time of the 200's SFT, thus, it is the talk in the unit. The TBAS is not the AFOQT, it is really geared to flying, thus, flying hours has a lot to do with it. AFOQT is given to ALL AFROTC cadets, TBAS only to those applying for a rated AFSC.

    I don't think he shouldn't try, but I think he should be prepared for a NO. JMPO, I also think if he is AFROTC scholarship for nursing, and they let him, to me it is Fraud, Waste and Abuse, because if I am correct nursing AFROTC scholarships are not meeting the same board as tech and non-tech meet when it comes to scholarships. If I am wrong and they do meet the same board, than I relinquish that comment.
     
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  8. kevster

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    Thanks for the heads up Pima. I'm hoping to have about 15 - 20 hours logged by the time my package reaches the board.
     
  9. Pima

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    kevster,

    You need to submit that log at the TBAS test center (Andrews), so it will be way before the board. DS was one of the last to take the test due to his internship, and I remember it was before they started fall finals. The others took theirs in the end of Nov.

    I don't know if they have the change the rules, but that was the rule back in 10. You brought it with you to the TBAS, not to the det for submission of the packet.
     

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