Plebe Knowledge Test

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  1. kpmom2013

    kpmom2013 Member

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    Can someone enlighten me on why some companies pass the PKT every week with high averages and other companies continue to fail what seems to be a pretty simple test week after week?
     
  2. yogijer

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    Why do you care? You don't have to pass them.:smile:
     
  3. USMMADISTANCE

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    Because they are retarded. We have a practice PKT every Wed. night. Its the same test on Sunday. Just one or two questions are different. Even if you miss those you should still pass.
     
  4. Dave'sMom

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    From what I understand per my son, the PKT is information that they must know, however, the way the test is administered is more to the point. It's an exercise in pressure. Many times they aren't given enough time to even write part of the answer, or any number of tricks to keep them on their toes. It isn't about the knowledge as much as the lesson. As with everything at KP, it is steeped in tradition and everything has a purpose behind it. On parent weekend more things will make sense to you and you will find that your PC is doing fine. They aren't supposed to "pass that easy test" it's the bigger tests that aren't so clear cut that are important. Hang in there until PW!
    There are probably those out there that can better articulate this so please correct me if I am wrong!
     
  5. 2013Parent

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    Wise and insightful ....
     
  6. yogijer

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    Maybe the PC are being gamed by the upperclass.The path to recognition will not be completed until after the dark ages. :eek:
     
  7. 2013Parent

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    The woods are lovely, dark, and deep, But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep, And miles to go before I sleep. Robert Frost ... :biggrin:
     
  8. rexbob

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    PKT

    make sure your pleber does not take study time away from academics
     
  9. KPMarineopsdad

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    Almost certainly. If the p/cs have "irked" the CTO, his petty officer or anyone else for that matter they will not pass no matter what their score is. It wouldn't be the first time all of the tests were thrown in the trash without so much as a glance.
     
  10. Is2day4him

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    just remember, parents of 2013 kids, as was said earlier. there's a lot that goes on here that's tradition. i've been failed on a PKT before because my commas looked like periods. it's how it goes. as was said, it's fairly irrelevant. they'll pass when they're ready. we're not out to hose over your kids. part of the lesson to be learned is how to deal with failure when you did everything correctly.
     
  11. jasperdog

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    Soooo... at first as a parent I was pretty irk'ed by the tone of some of the mids on this thread but then as I've said I'm not and have never beeen a helocpter parent. And as someone who went through this circus almost 30 years ago I can understand the sentement from yogijer: "Why do you care? You don't have to pass them." It is true and really this is one thing you as a poarent not having gone or going through this aspect of the Regiment first hand will never fully understand.

    If you're asking to try and understand and be supportive of something frustrating you child, I can only say you'll never really understand it - nor will they probably till they are upper classmen and have to administer this aspect of the training. Sometimes they are used to manufacture some pressure on the Plebe Class; sometimes they aare administered in a way that requires teamwork such as making everyone in the company answer every question EXAACTLY the same way else they are all wrong, etc... Bottom line they'll have to pass what is it these days 8 or 10 of em, the criteria at times will seem arbitrary, the way theya re graded will at times seem capricious, and all that will go on along with Spirit Missions, and other "Recognition Steps" until they are all met AND the First Class and the Commandant's Staff are comfortable that the Class of 2013 is a cohesive, group of Mids commited to helping each other through the process and challeges it takes to get through Academy Life AND they understand the core values of the Regiment and the reasons and rhymes for the good traditions that are Kings Point (note there are some bad traditions that Administration after Administration works to get to go away - I'm not talking about those...)

    Not trying to pontificate, just explaining to the upper classmen here with snide remarks why a parent might care about the answer to the question and to other parents about why upper class mids might be a little callous in the tone of their comments.

    Acta Non Verba....
     
  12. kpmom2013

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    Thanks for the Comments

    I appreciate all the insight and various points of view. Not really a helicopter parent, and I am not at all thin skinned. My P/C has passed all the tests so far and is not concerned with this relatively minor part of KP. As for me, I know that only those who have gone through this process will ever really understand it. I just find this find this process interesting, and want to learn more about it. Thanks to all for your responses.
     
  13. doktrmom

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    When I anxiously asked my DS why "they" failed (not that I had or have a clue who they was/is), he said oh, don't worry mom "we will pass when they (a different they) want us to".

    What do you thing jasperdog does he have at least that part figured out?
     
  14. 2013Parent

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    Me too. That is one of the reasons, when I saw my DS posting on here, I strongly encouraged him to reconsider. He is an INFANT in this process and has much to prove (Acta Non Verba) Even though his words may not have been "bad" or incorrect, they will be picked apart and questioned.......and at 17 he does not possess the maturity to enter in to a gunfight armed with his bare hands.....no matter how intelligent he thinks he is!

    He wanted to reminded me how much this forum, and others like it, had helped him learn about the academy and it's processes. I ask him, to just lurk and continue to learn. He seems to have followed my advice....he has more important things to do than post on here ....even if he is/was trying to be helpful. That is my two cents
     
  15. kpbaseballmom

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    I hear that the upperclassmen follow these forums. Therefore, plebes and parents of plebes should be very careful what they post and whether or not they would like comments posted to get back to the upperclassmen and possibly shine an unwanted light on your plebe. Remember, these kids don't want to stick out in any way. They still have tons to learn about the whole system, with fitting in and trying to survive both the academics and the regimental duties.
     
  16. yogijer

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    Beware !!

    The Eyes and the ears of the regiment are everywhere! :eek:
     
  17. jasperdog

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    Yes and No ....

    Re: "we will pass when they want us to." On the surface your DS gets it but he'll really understand it when he understands what and why "they" will be motiviated for the Class of 2013 to be recognized. That said I think that as long as KP remains on a trimester academic calendar you'll never see another Plebe Class recognized before the end of the second tri again - I'd speculate that at this point there's enough folks in authority who worry what the washout rate of plebes would be if they had more liberty before the end of the second tri would be....also I think they're right the pre-recognition period of Plebe Year is hectic enough and the way it's done now helps smooth the transition into College Life - USMMA style over what is basically an 8 month or so period and that seems to be working at least consistently and yielding predictably.
     
  18. doktrmom

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    on the mark

    As always you are on the mark jasperdog. Thanks.
     
  19. lgottliebdds

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    What Jasperdog says makes sense for my DS. As long as there is not much else to do but study and sail he will do ok. My Ds even admitted that he wanted to be at an academy because he knows at a normal collge the ability to party would hurt his academic performance. Recognition wil come when it is supposed to. No rush. They are all in it together.
     
  20. yogijer

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    Let the process work.

    The system in place at KP Has worked for almost 70 yrs. I think the powers that be in the regiment. Believe that parents are looking over there shoulder sometimes. Parents have crossed the line before (2012).
     

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