Plebe summer numbers?

I pray no more Plebes leave, they only have 2 more weeks of PS. The USNA admissions process took about a year, I hope these kids stay for at least a year before making a life changing decision to leave?
 
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Got a letter from DS written Sunday. Still upbeat. He expressed respect for the exiting detailers saying "those guys are good leaders" He was also proud that his platoon had won some kind of drill contest out of all the 4/C. He said " We freakin killed it" He seems to be adopting a bit of sailor language. He asked for us to send the "biggest most bad A** room duster thingy" because they had failed their Alpha inspection lol
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Ours seems well, too. Asked for Icy Hot and vitamins. :):)
 
Brawny77 said:
Got a letter from DS written Sunday. Still upbeat. He expressed respect for the exiting detailers saying "those guys are good leaders" He was also proud that his platoon had won some kind of drill contest out of all the 4/C. He said " We freakin killed it" He seems to be adopting a bit of sailor language. He asked for us to send the "biggest most bad A** room duster thingy" because they had failed their Alpha inspection lol
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They all fail the first room inspections. I remember my first one vividly and my room being destroyed by Detailers and me wondering how they heck they expected me to clean some of the stuff they found! They will get the hang of it and figure it out. When they come home on leave and their room looks like a tornado you will wonder how they pass a white glove inspection! Sunday is almost here again and even better August! So much closer to Parent's Weekend when they see its August.
 
Yes Hoops, DS is home on vacation and it looks like tornado Midshipman hit his bedroom. He was neat and methodical during Christmas break, I'm surprised he's sloppy now. No worries though, he needs a break from all the structure and regiment of Plebe Year
 
SCMids said:
30 is extraordinary! Are you sure?
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30 is the number currently bandied about at USMA, too. The academies expect and plan for attrition and adjust incoming class numbers to correct for previous graduating class sizes. USMA plans to commission about 1,000 cadets each year. Over 1,300 cadet candidates reported for R-Day this summer, a significantly larger number than the 1,257 last year. This number was chosen to reach the number of new LTs required for the army's needs taking into account the attrition fluctuation from previous years.

Wow, that's so sad considering how hard they've worked to get in & unfortunate for those kids who were on the wait list, is 26 high # or is this normal?
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Attritions from this class affect only the number of 2020 graduates; they have no bearing on those who were wait-listed this round. The wait list is used to ensure the incoming class is the correct size. An attrition does not mean that one more candidate could have been taken from the wait list.

I'm thinking all of the academies follow a similar method to USMA.
 
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Yes they do. I know 30 seems like a lot and it is higher than previous years, but in reality it's not. It wasn't long ago attrition rates at USNA were 25-30+% per a class. I think my class had over 30 drop on the first day of tango. The Supt used to say to look to your left and your right, one of you won't make it. That was the truth then. With social media increasing and the Internet, candidates are better informed and prepared. The number will never be zero. It's one of the reasons us crusty old guys and gals always say the candidate must own this process and decision. Some who leave will regret it, others know it's the right decision. After Plebe Year, it changes, they are forced out vice leaving on their own. Some will leave at 2 for 7 decision, but very few drop then. In all honesty, those who are leaving now, it's for the best. It isn't the right fit. They are bright kids who will recover from this and move on to great things.
 
NavyHoops said:
After Plebe Year, it changes, they are forced out vice leaving on their own. Some will leave at 2 for 7 decision, but very few drop then. In all honesty, those who are leaving now, it's for the best. It isn't the right fit. They are bright kids who will recover from this and move on to great things.
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NavyHoops, can you explain this a bit, please?

Forced out?

2 for 7 decision?

Thanks!
 
Sorry about that. Forced out = kicked out. Mids can get get kicked out for a variety of reasons. Academics, physical (usually PRT failures), conduct or honor. All these are in a Mids control. The one that is not is medical. They are rare.

2 for 7 is a term Mids use when they sign their commitment papers at the beginning of 2/C or Junior year. Essentialy it means they did 2 years and now they are committing for a minimum of 7 more (2 more years at USNA and 5 (minimum) in the fleet).
 
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NavyHoops said:
Sorry about that. Forced out = kicked out. Mids can get get kicked out for a variety of reasons. Academics, physical (usually PRT failures), conduct or honor. All these are in a Mids control. The one that is not is medical. They are rare.

2 for 7 is a term Mids use when they sign their commitment papers at the beginning of 2/C or Junior year. Essentialy it means they did 2 years and now they are commitments for a minimum of 7 more (2 more years at USNA and 5 (minimum) in the fleet).
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Thanks for the clarification! If I can ask for a bit more, what is the commitment papers thing? I thought they had already committed to 9 years.
 
At the start of academic junior year, they sign their commitment papers. At that point, the jello sets. Before that, they can voluntarily walk away with no consequences.
 
As Capt MJ stated they aren't commited to anything right now. They can walk or be thrown out from USNA at any time until the start of their junior year with no pay back. Once they sit down in class junior year they are commited and will either owe money or enlisted time to 'pay back' their commitment. I had a classmate in my company thrown out for a variety of conduct offenses during commissioning week and sent to the fleet (enlisted payback seems to be not an option these days) for payback. He is still enlisted to this day. My Plebe Year squad leader smoked pot during spring break his senior year and was sent to the fleet for pay back 1 month prior to graduation and heading to flight school. We had 7 Mids tossed the class ahead of me in company for a single event. That class graduated less 900 people that year. I could go on for an hour with a list of things that happened. My ring dance date was a friend who decided the USN was not for him and didn't sign his papers. He went to an Ivy and is doing well for himself.

Like I said, all these items are in a Mids control. They are young, smart and confident, sometimes they do stupid things. Sometimes they aren't responsible with alcohol and do really dumb things. Sometimes they lie under pressure or lapse in character. And I hate to admit it, sometimes some bad kids get in and it takes awhile for their true character to show. A few will wait until the last minute to sign their papers wondering if the fleet is for them. For me, even after a miserable Plebe Summer, I knew USNA and the military was for me. I never hesitated and knew the only way I was leaving USNA was with a commision or them throwing me out. The majority of Mids fall into this category.
 
Based on a recent conversation I had with a staff member at USNA, if 30 is accurate, they are very unhappy and very surprised. They have thought the last few years indicated they were doing a better job of selecting the class. They didn't expect 30 at this point. They thought they were past that.
 
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My info is from a Tango detailer. When I said 30, the response given was "Not true." Not Yak
 
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