POC Transfer

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  1. 719Frontier

    719Frontier Member

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    I'm sure this is in my contract but I don't have a copy with me at the moment so if anyone knows off the top of their head, I would appreciate the advice.

    Is it possible to transfer colleges as a POC? Currently I am a crosstown AS250 and my Det is great, but I think I would be better suited at a different college.

    I don't want to come off as ungrateful, because my det has been awesome to me, but my school makes it very difficult to be the best cadet I can be.
     
  2. Pima

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    Clarification please.

    You state you are xtown and want to transfer colleges. To me that infers it is just the college issue and you would remain in the det.

    However, the next thing you say implies that you would also be leaving your det.

    Is this transfer going to include both college and det?
     
  3. 719Frontier

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    Yes, I would transfer to a college in a different state.
     
  4. Pima

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    JMPO,

    Even if they did allow this, I wouldn't do it. You are far down the path.

    You would be a 300, and come next yr., you will be up for your AFSC.

    If you go rated, you will have about 12-15 weeks to make a mark when it comes to your CoC rec. You will be new in the det., and POC jobs for the fall will be given out in the next few weeks. Thus, not only will the cadre not know you anymore than they know a 100, you will not have a job, which in turn hurts you.

    If you go non-rated they will be putting your file together at the end of next spring so they can send it early 400 yr. It allows you more time to get to know the cadre, and get their support, but in the end, they still will have cadets they have known for 3 yrs over your 1 yr.

    That CoC rec/rank means a lot for your AFSC. The question you have to ask is are you willing to take a chance that your AFSC choice may be impacted because you switched colleges?

    Plus, as you know college is more than academics, it is social too. The 300's by this time have been bonding for 2 yrs. Many of them are living together in dorms or off campus housing. It is another aspect to think about.
     
  5. homewith4

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    My DS transferred fall after SFT. He went from one crosstown to another, both private schools. Socially he was impacted more because of the distance of the new Xtown. The 300 class at the new Det is very small, so there was not a strong social element to step into.

    Have you been accepted into new school? My DS started the process in February. After being admitted, he submitted his request for credit transfers which was time consuming...course description comparisons from both schools to determine which course(s) he would get transfer credit for. 2 courses were initially not accepted, so he appealed and this entailed a complete syllabus' comparison. The new school helped complete a new graduation plan. The Form 48 was then taken to the new Det and approved in writing with needed signatures.

    Not until after this process did he approach the losing det with his intention. They supported him and all went as planned.

    The losing det cut his SFT orders and all issued equipment needed turned in to them when he returned.

    He got a pilot slot this past spring, but has a high GPA, SFT rank, PT, and AFOQT. Because the class is so small, the CC rank was not significant.

    If you haven't started the process already, IMO you are too late
     
  6. Pima

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    To add on with homewith4's post, the det size can be a factor. For our DS's class/yr group, he commissioned with 25 other cadets. His det is considered large, thus my perspective was different than theirs. If the incoming det is small than it wouldn't really be a factor.

    Large dets it can be a factor.

    I also concur with homewith, this is really late in the game to start this if you plan to do this come fall.
     
  7. kevster

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    We had 1 cadet who transferred in after FT. She competed for rated and got ABM (all she was qualified for). If you have a high CC ranking it should transfer over to your new det. Our cadet meshed very well when she came in and didn't really have that hard of a transition with ROTC or academics. Best of Luck!
     
  8. Pima

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    kevster,

    How was ABM all she was qualified for?

    Sitting height?
    ~It would not be an issue for rated if she met it. Flight Class 1 physical, same is true. 2 female cadets from UMDCP received waivers for sitting height for 2012 commissioning for UPT. I am not following. No offense, but please enlighten how she was only qualified for ABM. Was it the new scholarship offered by the AF? Take CSO or ABM scholarship it is guaranteed for AFSC, there is no option. If so, than this is not apples to apples, it is apples to oranges.

    I do agree with you that a high CC ranking is important.

    Not trying to be a beaaccch, but I think many are missing one key thing.

    They are a 250. Not a 200. No offense 719, but you are a 250. It is something to place into the equation. They entered as a sophomore, not a freshman.

    I am truly not trying to be mean, harsh or rude.

    I am saying they have 1 yr in AFROTC prior to going to SFT. I am looking at their profile.

    As a 300, he will have the following:
    1. Freshman yr---no AFROTC
    2. Soph yr.---- joined, got SFT. 1st yr in AFROTC
    3. Jr yr. ---switched dets.


    In the end of the day, what resonates with me is this:
    The new det is OOS. It is a new school too. I can't wrap myself around the thought that the unkown is going to better than the known when you are up for AFSC boards.

    You are going out of state, starting your life over again with no social circle.

    We are giving opinions without finite details from the OP.

    kevster, I respect you, but I think it is important to highlight, that their only option was ABM. Was it tied to the fact that they took the ABM AFROTC scholarship?

    My other issue is they said they are contract as a 250.
    ~~~ If recollection serves me right. 250 is a cadet that is a sophomore in college, but 1st time AFROTC.

    ~~~~~ That would mean if they are contracted it would be in the last 6 months due to ICSP. Hence, shouldn't they have the paperwork on hand...no offense 719.

    Flipside, 719 is going to SFT, and he would be contracted come fall after graduating from SFT.
    ~~~ Currently he is not contracted. He will not contract until he passes the PF in the fall.

    Assumptions are being made, and we are only doing harm if we speculate regarding everything.

    719 needs to tell us right now a few things.
    1. Are you a 250 CONTRACTED cadet
    2. Have they matriculated to the incoming school
    3. Have you informed the outgoing det of your decision
     
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  9. kevster

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    The Cadet's vision was such that she only met ABM standards. It worked out well because she wanted ABM #1 overall and if her vision was better she probably would have gotten picked up in one of the earlier rated boards (Pilot, RPA...etc).
     

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