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Yes, the United States Coast Guard Academy Corps of Cadets, I agree with that as I said earlier "corps of cadets" can be used by any school (even ROTC programs can refer to themselves as a corps). However, USMA holds the title as the United States Corps of Cadets.

JAM - While I agree that USMA is the USCC, I also have to say that we are also comprised of a Brigade making up our 4 Regiments. The title and the actual composition are separate entities.
 
I have been there, and it is a joke. There is more than one "Corps of Cadets", so I assume you're referring to the West Point Corps of Cadets...as I'm sure the Coast Guard Corps of Cadets are also "U.S.".

There is more than one Corps of Cadets, but there is only ONE "United States Corps of Cadets." That's what happens when you're in the door first...you get the naming rights. ;) The USCC name is defined under 10 U.S.C. 403 §4342 thru 10 U.S.C. §4349.

The Coast Guard Academy, as it is not a military entity, is governed under 14 U.S.C. Ch. 9 §188, and not under Title 10. The code does not define the legal name of the cadet organization at USCGA.


As for amnesty, there are two salient points to remember:

1. It is real at USMA.
2. More important, it is granted for COMPANY GRADE OFFENSES ONLY. That means you can get out of the 5 hour tour you got for being late to class, but you will still march the 120 you got for drinking.

Hopefully that clears up the confusion.
 
The United States Coast Guard (USCG) is a branch of the United States Armed Forces and one of seven uniformed services. The Coast Guard is a maritime, military, multi-mission service unique among the military branches for having a maritime law enforcement mission (with jurisdiction in both domestic and international waters) and a federal regulatory agency mission as part of its mission set. It operates under the Department of Homeland Security during peacetime, and can be transferred to the Department of the Navy by the President or Congress during time of war.

Founded by Alexander Hamilton as the Revenue Cutter Service on 4 August 1790, it lays claim to being the United States' oldest continuous seagoing service. As of August 2009, the Coast Guard had approximately 42,000 men and women on active duty, 7,500 reservists, 29,000 auxiliarists, and 7,700 full-time civilian employees.[3]

The Coast Guard's legal authority differs from the other four armed services and it operates simultaneously under Title 10 of the United States Code and its other organic authorities, e.g., Titles 6, 14, 19, 33, 46, etc. Because of its legal authority, the Coast Guard can conduct military operations under the Department of Defense or directly for the President in accordance with Title 14 USC 1-3.

legal basis for the Coast Guard is Title 14 of the United States Code, which states: "The Coast Guard as established January 28, 1915, shall be a military service and a branch of the armed forces of the United States at all times." Upon the declaration of war or when the President directs, the Coast Guard operates under the authority of the Department of the Navy.

As members of a military service, Guardians on active duty and in the Reserve are subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice and receive the same pay and allowances as members of the same pay grades in the other four armed services.
 
The Coast Guard Academy, as it is not a military entity, is governed under 14 U.S.C. Ch. 9 §188, and not under Title 10.

If you have read Title 14, you would have known this from Part I, Chapter 1, Paragraph 1, Sentence #1:

TITLE 14 > PART I > CHAPTER 1 > § 1
The Coast Guard as established January 28, 1915, shall be a military service and a branch of the armed forces of the United States at all times.

If the USCG is a military service, and branch of the armed forces of the United States at all times, how can you conclude that the USCGA, the academy that produces officers for this military branch (the cadets being active duty military while serving at the academy) is not a military entity?

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A poor choice of words. I meant to say "a DoD entity" since it does not fall under the DoD except under special circumstances, and hence is not defined by Title 10. The point itself stands though: there is only one US Corps of Cadets.

No reason to get upset. No one is challenging the service offered by the Coast Guard and its members.
 
A poor choice of words. I meant to say "a DoD entity" since it does not fall under the DoD except under special circumstances, and hence is not defined by Title 10. The point itself stands though: there is only one US Corps of Cadets.

No reason to get upset. No one is challenging the service offered by the Coast Guard and its members.

DOD has existed for a shorter period of time than the U.S. Coast Guard. Even if we want to boil it down to "Department of War", we can say that the Coast Guard can even trace it's beginnings to 1789, the same year the Department of War was established. The ignorance of many of the services does not mean that the U.S. Coast Guard is not a member of the military. It was when they fired the first naval shot of the civil war, landed troops in the Pacific and Atlantic, patrolled the beaches of Vietnam, and serve in the NAG as we speak. The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs consults the Commandant of the Coast Guard. We should count ourselves lucky to have a branch of the military with the authority to both enforce U.S. federal law and perform military duties (homework, 14USC1 and 14USC89)

While I'm educating you, the Coast Guard would not fall under the Dept. of Defense, it would be under the Department of the Navy (much like the Marine Corps), by declaration of war and Presidential order....although it has not happened since WWII.

Wouldn't worry about it Luigi, I heard the same kind of ignorant statement from a COCOM commander this week. If a 4-star can't figure it out, I doubt a JO or cadet can.
 
DOD has existed for a shorter period of time than the U.S. Coast Guard. Even if we want to boil it down to "Department of War", we can say that the Coast Guard can even trace it's beginnings to 1789, the same year the Department of War was established. (homework, 14USC1 and 14USC89)

While I'm educating you, the Coast Guard would not fall under the Dept. of Defense, it would be under the Department of the Navy (much like the Marine Corps), by declaration of war and Presidential order....although it has not happened since WWII.

Wouldn't worry about it Luigi, I heard the same kind of ignorant statement from a COCOM commander this week. If a 4-star can't figure it out, I doubt a JO or cadet can.

Ah, I see someone has quite the chip on his shoulder. Sorry I can't help you with your complex. To touch on your first part, the Army, Navy and Marine Corps predate and the Department of War by 14 years. I'm not sure what you were trying to prove with that little factoid, but it neither proves nor disproves anything.

However, as you find yourself to be so smugly astute, I'm sure you can piece together a cursory understanding of subordinate command relationships. Do you honestly think that being placed under the Department of the Navy is not equivalent to being a temporary DoD entity? I suppose, by your logic, no one in the Marine Corps is serving in a DOD entity, because they, too, fall under the Department of the Navy? You're being obtuse simply because your feelings are hurt. As was stated earlier, the point of the argument is whether someone was "wrong" in calling the student body at West Point the "United States Corps of Cadets." No one, including me, is truly concerned about where the USCG ties into the fabric of the national defense. The point was, and is, to defend the rightful statement of another forum member--a statement that was challenged by someone whose sense of pride exceeded their knowledge of the actual legal naming convention.

Try not to be so obtuse and quick to anger over some supposed injustice toward your service. Your argumentative style and attempts to sound learned on the nuances of the USCG really only make you sound like a petulant child, claiming his dad can beat up somebody else's dad. Get a grip and try to acquit yourself with a bit more class, as most of us would expect as much from an officer, if you are indeed one.
 
ok folks- now that we have got this out of our system all around - let's sum this one up and move on. It is a fact that there is a "United States Corps of Cadets"- which resides at USMA. It is also a fact that the Cadets at many other military academies and colleges - regardless of the size of the unit are known collectively as the "Corps of Cadets" at those Academies and colleges. The thread is not a swipe at the USCG or the USCGA- don't believe anyone intended it to be that way and it's not going to evolve any further in that direction.
 
Ah, I see someone has quite the chip on his shoulder. Sorry I can't help you with your complex. To touch on your first part, the Army, Navy and Marine Corps predate and the Department of War by 14 years. I'm not sure what you were trying to prove with that little factoid, but it neither proves nor disproves anything.

However, as you find yourself to be so smugly astute, I'm sure you can piece together a cursory understanding of subordinate command relationships. Do you honestly think that being placed under the Department of the Navy is not equivalent to being a temporary DoD entity? I suppose, by your logic, no one in the Marine Corps is serving in a DOD entity, because they, too, fall under the Department of the Navy? You're being obtuse simply because your feelings are hurt. As was stated earlier, the point of the argument is whether someone was "wrong" in calling the student body at West Point the "United States Corps of Cadets." No one, including me, is truly concerned about where the USCG ties into the fabric of the national defense. The point was, and is, to defend the rightful statement of another forum member--a statement that was challenged by someone whose sense of pride exceeded their knowledge of the actual legal naming convention.

Try not to be so obtuse and quick to anger over some supposed injustice toward your service. Your argumentative style and attempts to sound learned on the nuances of the USCG really only make you sound like a petulant child, claiming his dad can beat up somebody else's dad. Get a grip and try to acquit yourself with a bit more class, as most of us would expect as much from an officer, if you are indeed one.

The Continental Navy was disbanded prior to the creation of the Department of War, and the U.S. Navy was not created until 1798.

Yes, I will say that falling under the direction of the the Department of the Navy is not the same as working directly for the Department of Defense. You of course are welcome to run for Congress, win, propose a bill, and then rewrite the U.S. Code dealing with this subject, if you'd like.

Your "I meant to say DoD entity" comment is nearly the very same comment that caused two very senior officers (both 4-stars) to talk at USSOUTHCOM after the comment, Freudian slip, was uttered in the presence of the most senior enlisted member of the Coast Guard. So if you think this is an unwarranted "chip", this is quite a bit of history there.

Unfortunately, your general ignorance is rampant in the Department of Defense and component services. I will always appreciate the comments from members of the Army, Navy, Marine Corps, and Air Force, especially from junior officers like yourself, that was not based in reality, but in some self-defined reality. The general "I will lecture another service about themselves", while they know very little. At 500,000 strong, I would not expect the Army to know much about other services, especially an O-3, however, I would expect a combatant commander, who's sole existence is joint, to have a little idea of the five services of the military, I don't think that's asking too much.

In the end Tom, you may just want to "stay in your lane" or....do some research, as the average Coast Guard officer will know far more about your service than you know about theirs.
 
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