Presidental Nom and National Pool

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crair70

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Wondering if anyone could clarify if a candidate with a presidental nom who is not selected as one of the 100 allocated for an appointment, is that candidate then placed in the national pool and rack and stacked with all other candidates who are 3Q w/ a nom?
 
The Presidential nom is like the MOC nom in this scenario, short answer is yes, they may be able to compete on the NWL.
 
Pima said:
The Presidential nom is like the MOC nom in this scenario, short answer is yes, they may be able to compete on the NWL.
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Actually, this is not true at all. Don't know how this misinformation got started. The first 150 apointees must be exclusively from the MOCs and territorial delegates, etc. Three quarters of the remainder must be from basically the same sources. This is why it is so important that all candidaters apply to all nominations for which they are eligible. And also why it is so important that you not believe everything you read on this forum.
 
Mongo, why do your posts make you sound like a bully?
 
He states the facts! If they are not correct then call him on it but I haven't found it to be the case.

Facts=truth
 
Mongo said:
Actually, this is not true at all. Don't know how this misinformation got started. The first 150 apointees must be exclusively from the MOCs and territorial delegates, etc. Three quarters of the remainder must be from basically the same sources. This is why it is so important that all candidaters apply to all nominations for which they are eligible. And also why it is so important that you not believe everything you read on this forum.
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Mongo,

Would you please give me your reference for this statement. As I review 10 USC § 9342 - CADETS: APPOINTMENT; NUMBERS, TERRITORIAL DISTRIBUTION, something that ALO's are required to learn when initially selected and then are "updated by USAFA/RR" (Currently Col Carol Benyshek), I have NEVER been briefed on such a number. And I can't find it in the above referenced sections of 10 USC.

I'd like to know where that number comes from for my education.

Thank you.

Steve
USAFA ALO
USAFA '83
 
For USNA, and WP/AFA are exactly the same. US Code Title 10 Para 6954:

(5) 150 selected by the Secretary of the Navy in order of merit
(prescribed pursuant to section 6956 of this title) from
qualified alternates nominated by persons named in clauses (3)
and (4) of subsection (a).
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Then Para 6956:

(b) If it is determined that, upon the admission of a new class
to the Academy, the number of midshipmen at the Academy will be
below the authorized number, the Secretary may fill the vacancies
by nominating additional midshipmen from qualified candidates
designated as alternates and from other qualified candidates who
competed for nomination and are recommended and found qualified by
the Academic Board. At least three-fourths of those nominated under
this subsection shall be from qualified alternates under clauses
(2) through (8) of section 6954(a) of this title, and the remainder
shall be from qualified candidates who competed for appointment
under any other provision of law. An appointment of a nominee under
this subsection is an additional appointment and is not in place of
an appointment otherwise authorized by law.
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The quoted subsection (A);
(2) Five nominated at large by the Vice President or, if there
is no Vice President, by the President pro tempore of the Senate.
(3) Ten from each State, five of whom are nominated by each
Senator from that State.
(4) Five nominated by each Representative in Congress.
(5) Five from the District of Columbia, nominated by the
Delegate to the House of Representatives from the District of
Columbia.
(6) Three from the Virgin Islands, nominated by the Delegate in
Congress from the Virgin Islands.
(7) Six from Puerto Rico, five of whom are nominated by the
Resident Commissioner from Puerto Rico and one who is a native of
Puerto Rico nominated by the Governor of Puerto Rico.
(8) Three from Guam, nominated by the Delegate in Congress from
Guam.
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As you can see, the first 150 are exclusively from the alternates of senators and representatives while three out of every four of the remainder can be from these sources and also from the other six sources mentioned. Apparently, USNA is slightly different than USMA in that they also select from the second group by order of merit.

Again, this is one of the major reasons all candidates are told to strive for all nominations for which they are eligible.

Fleiger, we had exactly this same conversation last year.
 
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Thank you for this info and now I completely understand why it was strongly encouraged by our BGO to seek additional noms even though he has a presidental. After reading this thread I am glad we listened and also has a MOC nom! Back to waiting!
 
crair70 said:
Thank you for this info and now I completely understand why it was strongly encouraged by our BGO to seek additional noms even though he has a presidental. After reading this thread I am glad we listened and also has a MOC nom! Back to waiting!
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Glad to be of help. What this should really illustrate is the value of applying for the VP. After the first 150 off the waiting list, every single appointment could go to those who did not receive an appointment elsewhere but applied for the VP.
 
Mongo said:
Apparently, USNA is slightly different than USMA in that they also select from the second group by order of merit.
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Where does it say that the second group is selected by order of merit ? I don't see that. :confused:
 
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