Principal and competitive??

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  1. John9805

    John9805 Member

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    My DS got a competitive MOC nomination and a high school classmate got a principal from the same MOC and got a BFE. The classmate also just got a BFE from USAFA and if he accept USAFA and turn down USMA, does this mean they will pull my DS in that slot?
     
  2. Whatisnext2017

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    They will need to take someone from those left on the competitive slate, I believe, so your DS has a 1 in 9 chance assuming the MOC submitted a slate of 10 and the principal nominee declined the appointment. Good luck! Of course he can also be selected off the national waiting list so hang in there.
     
  3. BigNick

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    It depends on how your Congressman ranked his nominees.

    If he had a P-Nom (who turned-down the offer to WP) and an unranked slate of other nominees (up to 9) the next highest person (as determined by WP) on that Congressman's list of non-ranked nominees will get the offer. That person may or not be your son. You have no way of knowing where he is ranked by WP compared to the other nominees from your District.

    If the Congressman designated a ranked slate - 1st Alternate, 2nd Alternate, 3rd Alternate etc., then WP will go down the slate until they get a fully qualified person who accepts.
     
  4. WienerDog

    WienerDog West Point Class of 2018

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    We were in the same boat. In fact, the primary did go USAFA and my son was number 2. The entire slate was left to West Point to decide.
     
  5. Spud

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    Actually, the Academies do NOT have to go back to the original list of 9 nominees. By law they MAY or MAY not---there is no requirement for them to and if they do not, they put those 9 into the national pool (or "Qualified Alternate List"). Air Force has done this the last few years and it frosted our congresspeople no end as what it did was negate all the work the congressional offices did in selecting and interviewing those 9 candidates and left a deserving constituent behind. Considering the fact the parents of those 9 candidates all are Federal taxpayers, the federal government just neatly finessed a congressional nominee and gave themselves another slot to fill out of the national pool. All legal but very unfair to 9 perfectly qualified candidates from a particular state. I do not know if Navy or WP has pulled this stunt or not but Air Force certainly has.

    While it is true that the congressperson now has a new unfilled slot open next year, the opportunity was lost for those 9 THIS year. The only way that one of those 9 could be, indeed, charged to the congressperson is if they were picked out of the national pool (very slim chance) but what would you rather do: complete against 9 or compete among thousands.

    The only person who really can complain about this or change their nomination procedure is the congressperson themselves.
     
  6. GoBlue1984

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    There was a similar discussion on the AFA Forum last week. ChristCorp has a good explanation of when and why the academy tends to do this. For context to his answer, you might want to go back to the post I made earlier to which he replied...

    http://www.serviceacademyforums.com/showthread.php?p=301281#post301281

    That might be one reason our MOC's here will not nominate to more than one academy.
     
  7. Spud

    Spud BGO

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    CC knows his stuff.....and thanks for link, I missed that.
     
  8. esu1hammer

    esu1hammer New Member

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    Appointment Chances.

    Could someone who has extensive knowledge on the nomination and appointment process answer my question?

    I am 3Qd with a MOC nomination, receiving a letter from WP admission informing me that I have been placed on the NWL in January. No principal nomination was offered in my CD. There were 2 other candidates from my district also applying. 1 was medically DQ and the other has decided to remove his name for consideration.
    As a result of this what are my chances to receive an appointment?
     
  9. buff81

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    Several 'it depends'-
    It depends where you were ranked on the slate by WP (per WCS).
    You must not have been the slot winner since you were placed on the NWL so one of the other 2 was the slot winner.

    It depends if the one medically DQ'd is ahead of you on the slate and if they have received a waiver or if they were denied the waiver. That determination may not have been made yet.

    If the DQ candidate was #2 on the slate and receive a waiver, then they will move into the #1 slot and be offered the appointment.
    If they are denied a wavier, then you will be the only one left standing and matter where you were on the slate and you will be the slot winner and be offered the appointment.
    If you were #2 on the slate and the DQ candidate was #3, then you will move into the #1 slot and offered the appointment no matter the standing of the DQ's waiver.
     
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    esu1hammer New Member

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    Appointment Chances.

    Thank you Buff81.

    Just to clarify. If at some point in the process I am clearly the only one left in my Congressional District that is 3Qd with nomination. Does the nomination to that district have to be filled with an appointment or WP admissions can leave the congressional slot open and I could be ultimately be QNS because my WCS was deemed not high enough since I am on the NWL.
     
  11. EagleScout13

    EagleScout13 USMA Class of 2017

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    Esu1hammer, only 3 people from your district applied?
     
  12. esu1hammer

    esu1hammer New Member

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    Appointment Chances.

    No EagleScout13,

    I believe when I stared the application process there were a total of 5 candidates applying.
    Two have decided to pursue other college opportunities early in the process. It was down to me and 2 other candidates. I was informed just recently one was medically DQ and the other also decided to pursue other college opportunities. So now I believe I am the only one left in my CD that is 3Qd with a nomination on the NWL.

    Good Luck to you if your still waiting. Hopefully we both get the BFE.
     
  13. EagleScout13

    EagleScout13 USMA Class of 2017

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    Wow. That's not many at all. My district had 67 or so open files and around 40 finish files. I was just surprised at how few your district had.
     
  14. GoArmyBeatNavy

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    ESU,
    If you are 3Q than your WCS has already been deemed high enough for entrance into West Point. That is what being Qualified is: Qualified to enter West Point as a Cadet.

    How do you know the number of people from your district that have applied?
     
  15. buff81

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    By law, WP must appoint someone in the district an appointment, IF fully qualified. Who that appointment goes to is determined by the kind of slate that the MOC uses.
    In your specific case, IF you are the only on the slate that is fully qualified, then WP must offer you the appointment.

    I think your concerns stem from this prior post in the thread by Spud:
    The difference is in that situation, someone was offered an appointment to fill that MOC's slot and turned it down. Spud was saying that if an appointment is turned down, then the SA does not have to go to the next person on the list as they have already offered the slot to someone.
    If I understand your situation correctly, no one in your District has been offered. One candidate removed themselves from consideration, one is medically DQ'd and therefore would not be offered an appointment unless the wavier was granted.

    If the medically DQ'd candidate was #2 on the slate, WP can't determine the slot winner until the waiver issue is determined.
     
  16. esu1hammer

    esu1hammer New Member

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    Appointment Chances

    Thank you again Buff81. Your information paints a much clearer picture now. Hopefully I will hear some good news from WP Admissions. If not, Plan B and Plan C are in place.
     
  17. esu1hammer

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    How long does a medical DQ waver take to approve or disapprove?

    Buff81. Is there a time frame as to when a decision is made as to approving or disapproving?
     
  18. buff81

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    The medical qualification deadline is 15 April.
     
  19. USMATx2017

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    Does anyone know if a drafted athlete counts as an appointment to a district?
     
  20. buff81

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    If you are asking if a recruited athlete is the vacancy winner for a district - maybe, maybe not.

    If the MOC submits a P-nom slate and they list the RA as #1 on the slate and the RA is fully qualified, then they win the vacancy.

    If the MOC submits a competitive slate and the RA has the highest WCS of all the fully qualified candidates on that slate, then they win the vacancy.
     

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