Principal Nom timeline question

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  1. luckymacy

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    OK. Nomination status finally updated on the USAFA website this morning to say there is one but it doesn't say it's a principal nom though the MoC says it is. Should the AFA website say it is too? Hate to get something crossed up there with a new MoC getting sworn in this week!

    Assuming it is the principle nom, what are the next steps and the timelines?

    For example, I would assume, even though son is 'triple qualified' already, there is still some board that has to meet to technially approve/verify him one last time. right?

    What other status's would we expect to see on the website from here on out and roughly on average how long would those take?

    We're just wondering if this would be 'drug out' through March/April even though the stars seem to be already aligned....

    TIA
     
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  2. Pima

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    The site will not say principal. That comes through the MOC. All you will see on your portal is the nom.

    Principals are a minority, only about 30%, so don't jump to the leap that they give a principal.

    Additionally, the new MOC has nothing to do with your nom. The nom comes from the MOC that was in office already.

    Your DS may be triple Q, but he doesn't meet the board for his WCS until he gets a nom.

    No apptmt, unless an LOA or principal can be awarded/charged to the MOC until the entire slate has received a WCS.

    For example, his packet is complete, meets the board, but candidate Jones on that slate does not complete theirs until Feb 15th. Since the entire slate of candidates do not have a WCS the AF will not charge that MOC untile they do.

    You will see other candidates get apptmts because this is where it becomes confusing.

    Candidate Jones has 4 noms (Pres., MOC A, Sen A, Sen B). Your child is only on Sen. B list. Candidate Jones gets the apptmt, but in actuality it is because his MOC slate all had a WCS and he won that apptmt. because he had the highest WCS against them and now is a non-player on the Sen B list.

    The good news for you is Jones name is now off that slate with your child so instead of competing against 9 other candidates for the highest WCS he is competing against 8.
     
  3. luckymacy

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    Wow, long answer but doesn't really address my specific question. Son has a principal nom or I wouldn't have asked the question that way and I called USAFA this morning and verified that fact on their end too. Since it's the principal nom and he's fully qualified, I don't think he has to wait for anyone else on any slate to get their stuff in. It states principal in their databse but they don't distinguish anthing about the noms received on the website. Gentleman I talked to though didn't know the timeline of events from here on out either or what would be posted on the web site. I guess I can confirm they don't spell out 'principal type nomination' on the web site now though. :rolleyes: I think it's a mere formality now he'll get an apointment and still just interested in knowing the rough timeline/events from here on out. Hopefully they don't drag their heels in sending him specific suggestions on what to do/how to prepare before BCT.

     
  4. Christcorp

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    Yup. What Pima says is correct. You won't see if the nom is principal or not. The academy sees it.

    One slight correction. Your package is reviewed by the board when it is completed. Completed doesn't include your nomination. Matter of fact, many applications have met the board in september/october before nominations are even started. That's how they received an LOA. They were shown to be what the academy wanted and were scored high enough (Based on past experience), that they were given an LOA and only needed a nomination. Actually; your package will be reviewed by the board if it's 100% and it's still need the DODMRB physical and/or Nomination. (For air force, those are the only 2 things that can be missing and be able to get an loa).

    If in fact your nomination IS A PRINCIPAL; then that means your MOC has interviewed everyone in question, and has provided the academy their slate. If you ARE the Principal, and the board says you are indeed 3Q; and your MOC has an open slot at the academy; then you will receive an appointment. Doesn't matter if your score is lower than someone else on your MOC's slate. Principal gets the appointment if they are qualified.

    If you are on a competitive list, then like Pima said, you wait to find out until ALL the names on the competitive MOC slate of 10, have their applications 100% complete; the board has reviewed all of them; and the highest WCS individual is selected. Best of luck to you. Mike....
     
  5. luckymacy

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  6. Pima

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    If your DS has a principal, and this is the 1st nom to be acknowledged, he must still meet the board to get his WCS.

    This is a First In First Out scenario. It will depend on how quickly they get through the other candidates with noms. It could be next week or 3 weeks from now depending on how many packets are in the queue.

    If he has a principal and is 3q the notification will arrive within days of meeting the board.
     
  7. flieger83

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    Hey folks!

    There is NO timeline for notifying a Principal of their appointment. I hate to be so blunt about it, but it's really up to the academy to "decide" when they're going to award the appointment.

    They WILL award it, if all the criteria are met; but they're under no time constraint. Not sure what benefit there is to do it quickly or not, but I have a candidate that was selected as Principal over a month ago and the academy was notified 10 days later.

    He's still waiting...and anxious as you can imagine. I just tell him: keep running, doing pushups, working hard in school, and wrap yourself in bubblewrap! :shake:

    Steve
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  8. luckymacy

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    Steve, any new intel on the number of USAFA cadets they are targeting to enroll into 2015? ie, still in the 1200s or south of 1000? just curious...
     
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    There are few people on this forum that have had both an LOA and a Nom since about Dec 1st (both are reflected on the USAFA site) and are still waiting for appointments (BFE). I don't know what the time-line will be for your son but clearly it can take more than a month depending on the time of the year.
    BTW - Congrats to you and your son Luckymacy!
     
  11. 1993A10

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    We're one of those whose DS received an LOA in October, MMS, and 3 noms around the first of December. Still waiting. Portal shows Letter of Assurance for his appointment status.
     
  12. flieger83

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    No, at least not that I've heard. I know it's potentially "less" than in previous years, but I don't know that it's HUGELY different. I would be STUNNED, and I mean that it the most LOUD way I can say, if it was less than 1000. I would expect 1200 perhaps...maybe a bit less.

    But that's just speculation on my part.

    Steve
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  13. Christcorp

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    A good gauge would be for some active cadets on the board, to tell us HOW MANY of each class are still there. Specifically the C2C and C1C (Class of 2011 and 2012).

    Some issues: The typical class of 1300+/- will lose approximately 85 in BCT. Then, they will lose another 200 in the next three years. The majority in the 1st and 2nd year; prior to "Commitment". Graduating class should be around 1000. The class of 2013 started off already with too many, because of the swine flu epidemic, the academy didn't cut many at all during BCT.

    If the current cadets show a much larger than normal C2C and C1C, then would lead to most likely a lower than normal appointment allocation for the class of 2015. If the C2C and C1C class; as well as C3C and C4C look traditional; it's likely there may be close to the normal 1300 appointees coming.
     
  14. buffalo

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    I think 2013 started with about 1370... CAMIS shows us currently at 1177.
     
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    Class of 2011 is at 1044 as of the beginning of classes yesterday.

    Stealth_81
     
  16. Pima

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    Steve when you say 1200, do you mean offers of apptmts or starting class? If they only offer 1200 apptmts, that could mean a starting class of 1000. Just using historical data they usually have @15-20% that do not take the offer, which would put the starting class @1000.

    I would expect 2011's numbers to stay true now. The real question will be what the end number will hit for 12, 13, and 14 since the AFA is required to have no more than 4400. If those 3 classes avg out to be 1100 each in May, that gives the incoming class number more wiggle room. If they avg out to be 1200, that tightens up the availability.

    The problem is every branch right now is tightening their belts, the money pipeline is now as free flowing as it was yrs ago.
     
  17. CadCandMateus

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    1120 for 2012.
     
  18. Pima

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    So that is 3300 for 11,12, and 13. The last piece would be 14, and than you need to go with end of yr, so I bet the number will be @1200 for 15 because more 12 -14 will drop before the end of the yr.

    The report I heard and flieger or stealth could clarify is that they are losing less cadets now than what historically they have lost in the past and that is why there are now facing number issues. Add that on top of more accepting apptmts and you can quickly see how they are now out of sorts when it comes to that 4400 requirement.
     
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    1217 for 2014
     
  20. Pima

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    So the tally right now would be 2300 for the upcoming C1C/C2C for 2011-12. Plus, 1200 for C3C (I am sure that still drop some).

    That would total to 3500 for C1C-C3C.

    1200 apptmts with the expectation of 25% attrition and the number would be back in the 4400 range.

    The thing is will the AFA offer less apptmts than yrs before out of the fear they will be over the number.

    Yrs before they would offer 1600-1700 apptmts, with the expectation of 1200-1300 accepting, but due to the economy it appears the entering class size continues to rise. If they need to keep the number in the 1200> will they only offer 1400-1500 apptmts?
     

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