futuremarinemom
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Have any of the BGOs on this forum commented on this situation? I would be interested to see what they have to say.
Principal Nom- Wait List
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gavigane14
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Thank you all for the support. Whatever happens happens at this point, but I am frustrated.
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It's just a guess on my part but I suspect if they end up unable to offer these folks a direct appointment, they might offer them NAPS instead as a less than optimal solution to the problem. Again, I emphasize I am only guessing.
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I have not seen any BGO comment on this situation. I think all the BGOs who hang out here are terrific, but I also think it would perhaps be unwise for them to comment. If this situation is as it's been reported, then USNA will want to handle it, and any communication about it, at very high levels. Again, all just guesswork on my part but that's certainly how I would handle it.
Aren't the Congressional nominations supposed to be submitted by Jan 31st? You would think that as of Feb 1st or there about, USNA would know exactly how many Principle Noms they would need to fill. When reviewing the following thread does that mean that everyone that received an appointment after aprox Feb 1st had Principle Noms or am I misunderstanding how the system works?
http://www.serviceacademyforums.com/showthread.php?t=34085&page=20
Probably pretty good guesses on both topics.
From everything I can tell, this definitely doesn't seem like the typical situation going into April 15th!
While the University of South Carolina might be a good school, I don't think I have ever seen it in the same sentence as Harvard,MIT,Yale and Stanford. I am sure it was added for sentimental reasons. Just trying to break up the last 2 stressful days of waiting. Go Gamecocks!
futuremarinemom,
On the thread "USNA Waitlist - information?", which has more of the details on this very unfortunate situation for some principal noms, USNA1985, the SuperModerator, posted a couple of times - he did not have any further insights and in fact appears to have thought the same thing that the rest of us do: a 3Q principal nom WILL GET AN APPOINTMENT.
But there seem to be some further complications involving the semi-stealth Early Action Program, LOA's & RA's, etc., that may have affected principal noms whose applications were completed after a certain date. Cannot understand how that should be, since the MOC slots are supposed to be filled first?? But that seems to be one of the explanations floating about... (see that thread for details, also the end of the Appointments thread, in which an RA with a Sup nom who received an appointment was told 4 weeks later that, no he would be getting NAPS instead; also that 30 to 40 of the Sup noms might be having the same thing happening to them...)
Hoping all will be resolved with a positive outcome for these principal noms!
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I was wondering if anyone would catch my weak attempt at some humor here.
LOL, I caught your humor as well, but when I included something in my reply to you, it just sounded sarcastic, which was not my intent, so I let it go. Go Gamecocks!
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Kinnem,
My DD would take South Carolina over the others, including USNA. Don't fault you for plugging your school or team...
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Last year at this time there is a post of a candidate was not given an appointment after 2 years as the principal nominee. He/She was 3Q ed and put on wait last both years. I don't think it is a new thing which leads me to believe it's lawful.
hopefull for all
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Wow. Really? Can you tell me which thread please?
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I would have to go back and find it. I will when I have more time. Just go back to April 13. I actually read it before this all became an issue this year. I was trolling trying to see how late in the game people heard about appointments last year.
hopefull for all
Thanks terrifiedmommy---I guess it's time for the myth to die that: principal nominations + 3qed = appointment.
-I too thought it was true! Here's hoping those folks find themselves off the wait list and on their way to the academy July 1!
I woudn't say that it is a myth insomuch as the interpretation of the law. I would say that USNA has a wide area to interpret the, "Otherwise qualified". I always find it funny that USNA never tells the candidate that they are 3Q'd giving them the out. I also think that even though USMA DOES tell a candidate that they are 3Q'd, if they wanted to pull your appointment, they would. The 3Q process is so complicated that defining what is 3Q is a mystery to all but the decision makers. Good luck to all. And as I have looked at this process all the way through: You are not a graduate of a SA until the day you graduate. The rug can get pulled anytime!!!!
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Well, I found it. You're right, it looks like it's happened in the past, but not necessarily to this year's degree.
http://www.serviceacademyforums.com/showthread.php?t=31468
And, interestingly, in that thread, there were also answers that emphatically said if 3Q and principal, you must get the appointment, so they thought there must have been some other problem.
My point being that the "guarantee" is a widely-believed concept, albeit one that is now being challenged.
USNA Admissions Information System (AIS)
I have been following this thread, and have been variously confused, frustrated and upset on behalf of the waitlisted principal-nom candidates. I, too, thought that the principal nomination plus 3Q was a guarantee. I did an internet search to see what, if anything, USNA says about it, and I tripped over this:
http://www.usna.edu/AboutAIS/nominations.html
(Dig down, there is a LOT of information here)
Also found the main page here: http://www.usna.edu/AboutAIS/
The part that I am wondering about now has to do with the "vacancy" dimension. If the MOC already has 5 MIDNs charged to his/her office, does that render the principal nomination moot?
I have been following this thread, and have been variously confused, frustrated and upset on behalf of the waitlisted principal-nom candidates. I, too, thought that the principal nomination plus 3Q was a guarantee. I did an internet search to see what, if anything, USNA says about it, and I tripped over this:
http://www.usna.edu/AboutAIS/nominations.html
(Dig down, there is a LOT of information here)
Also found the main page here: http://www.usna.edu/AboutAIS/
The part that I am wondering about now has to do with the "vacancy" dimension. If the MOC already has 5 MIDNs charged to his/her office, does that render the principal nomination moot?
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Well, my understanding is if the MOC already has 5 MIDN then there is no available slot for an appointment by the MOC. So in that sense it would be moot. But I have to wonder why a MOC would even be trying to appoint anyone in that scenario except for ignorance, which is always a possibility.