Process Question

Discussion in 'Air Force Academy - USAFA' started by lrv61, Feb 2, 2011.

  1. lrv61

    lrv61 Parent

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    Son completed application in mid-November...portal has indicated "Candidate/Complete" since then. Last week he received a MOC nomination and now this week a postcard form USAFA stating "he received a nomination and he is now a candidate"

    Based on reviewing various threads...is my understanding correct?
    1) now that he has a nomination his application will meet an upcoming board and receive a WCS.
    2) his Appication/WCS will be compared (ranked) to others on his nomination slate...assuming other applications are complete by approx. Feb. 15th.
    3) if he is ranked #1...he will be offered an appointment charged to that Congressman, otherwise his Application/WCS goes to a national pool
    4) after all appointments are made against the various nomination sources, the balance of the appointments are made from the national pool after that group is ranked.

    Any insight/clarification would be greatly appreciated as we enter the final turn...thanks.
     
  2. USAF52

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    From what I know, I think your process sounds about right. Now comes the hardest part--waiting! Good luck to your son!
     
  3. gotaplay2

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    Is there any way that a #1 ranked candidate (on a competitive nom list) would not be charged to that MOC if the candidate has only one nomination? Of course I'm talking about a candidate who is fully qualified.
     
  4. Christcorp

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    The only real difference with your process, is that your son's application met the board prior to getting the nomination. It doesn't take a nomination for your application to meet the board. "If it did, how would anyone ever get an LOA, when the LOA says: Your package is good; get a nomination and we "ASSURE" you of an appointment". (LOA's are generally done PRIOR to nominations. Once nominations are done, there's no reason for an LOA. They'd just give out an appointment). Anyway; just wanted to let you know that your son's package has already been before the board.

    But now that all the nominations for your son's MOC have been submitted, the rest of the process is pretty much as you said. The academy will take the scores of the individuals who are on the MOC's slate (Who have received nominations); and give the MOC's appointment slot to the highest scored individual on that list. The rest will go into the national pool.

    FYI. Even if your son receives the appointment charged to his MOC, doesn't mean he will find out and be offered an appointment any earlier than everyone else in March/April. He could; but not necessarily.

    If you have a specific question to ask; go for it. But basically your process is correct. Just wanted to let you know that within a couple of weeks of your son completing his application, it went in front of the board at that time. They don't wait until you receive a nomination. best of luck. Mike....
     
  5. Christcorp

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    I don't quite understand your question. It doesn't matter if you have 1 or 4 nominations. If you're on a competitive MOC slate; and the academy deems you the highest WCS of the 10 nominees on that slate. Then you get the appointment slated to that MOC. You don't get anything extra for having more nominations.

    Are you asking will they "Juggle" the applicants around because you're #1 on this slate, but #2 on say the Senator's slate? They could, but that's a lot more work than admissions/board wants to go through. They basically have the 3 slates in front of them. 2 senator's and 1 representative. (For your district). They might charge you to a different slot; e.g. the senator's; but you're not going to lose the appointment slot that you're #1 on. Where what you're asking for is an issue is if your #2 or #3 on a list. Then your chances might go up if you're on more than one list. But if you're the #1, it's a moot point.

    If I didn't understand correctly your question, please ask again. mike....
     
  6. lrv61

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    Thanks Mike...it makes sense that the applications would be reviewed as completed...to assess potential LOAs and also avoid a backlog in February...
     
  7. gotaplay2

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    Christcorp: Your answer makes it clear that a candidate is assured an appointment if they are the #1 candidate on a competitive MOC list. I was just trying to give enough info to keep other scenarios from being discussed. Thanks!
     
  8. gotaplay2

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    In other words - the #1 candidate from a competitive MOC list gets the appointment - and the academy won't take another candidate from another competitive list who may have a higher WCS and charge him to that MOC - right? Sorry I didn't make myself clear :smile:
     
  9. Christcorp

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    You can't be moved to another list. If you're on the representative's slate for the 10th congressional district of california; they can't take a person for the 4th district and put them on that slate. They can't take a person from another state and put them on that list. It's YOUR REPRESENTATIVE. Its' you and the 9 other people on that list. Now; if you don't get that slot/appointment, but you were one of the other 9 nominees, you'll go to the national pool. Once there; you are competing with ALL the other 9 non-selectees from each slate that was put into the pool. In other words, instead of you against 9 others, it will be you against around 2500+ others. But instead of just 1 slot available, you'll be competing for about 500 slots.

    So, the only people on a MOC's slate are the people the MOC put on that list. And only they compete against each other for that 1 slot. Once that 1 slot is filled, the other 9 will go to the national pool. Then, it's no longer WHO'S LIST you were on. Those don't matter. Now it's simply 2500+ individuals with nominations. Whoever gets picked for those 500-600 slots, are NOT CHARGED to the MOC.
     
  10. Rockcat

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    Does the same process work for an individual who receives an appointment to more than one category, for instance MOC #1 candidate is #1 on slate for 2 of the academies. Since he/she can only go to one of those what happens if/when they choose to accept one of the academies?

    Does the non-selected academy then move to Candidate #2 on the slate?

    If so when is that decision made? After 1 May or when a candidate accepts? Do the academies communicate with regard to acceptances?
     
  11. Pima

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    Yes.

    The way the system works is the MOC can be charged 1 per slate. Let's say Candidate Jones was number 1 for Cong A on the AFA slate, but also number 1 for the USNA slate nominated by Senator Z. He accepts the USNA over the AFA.

    Now, number 2, Candidate Smith is number 1 for Cong A, thus, he wins the apptmt to the AFA and is charged to Cong A.

    When the candidate accepts the apptmt to the other SA, that is binding, thus, they must reject the apptmt to the other SAs. So it really depends on how fast they accept or reject on how the slate moves.
     
  12. gotaplay2

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    Thanks Mike! I appreciate your detailed answer :thumb:
     
  13. Christcorp

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    RockCat; like PIMA was saying, once you accept an appointment for an academy, for all intent and purpose, your name is thrown away from ALL other nomination sources. I.e. If you accepted an appointment to air force and it was using your congressman's slot, then if you had a nomination from both senators, you would be removed from their list. If you also had nominations to Navy and Army, you would be removed from ALL of those lists also. You can't accept more than one. And once you have accepted an appointment from one, you are no longer "ELIGIBLE" for any other appointments. Now; as PIMA correctly mentioned; how fast it takes from the time you accept an appointment and your name is pulled from all the other nomination sources/pools/appointments/etc... is a whole other question. We're talking about various government agencies talking to each other. ,,,,,,, Yea; like that happens efficiently. :rofl:
     

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