QNS Letters have started going out

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  1. scoutpilot

    scoutpilot Member

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    Just an update for those on the NWL, from our Admissions RC:

    "First, we have begun sending “Qualified, not selected” (QNS) letters to candidates on the national waiting list. We are doing this much earlier this year so to allow candidates to move on to further options. We based our decisions after thoroughly scrubbing the national waiting list. Still, is there a chance that someone sent a QNS letter could receive an offer further down the road? Yes, if a candidate that we have offered, or plan to offer an appointment declines the appointment. For the majority (>95%) of candidates, though, the QNS letter is a final decision. I apologize that I didn’t get this notice to you sooner as I have started to get inquiries from the field force about individual candidates."

    If you receive a letter, time for Plan B, whatever that may be for you.
     
  2. BenjaminZ

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    Hm... this makes me worried.
     
  3. Saluki

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  4. scoutpilot

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    No, but the acceptances off the NWL will be low this year.
     
  5. buff81

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    Looking for the silver lining-
    If a QNS is inevitable for a candidate anyway, better to know now than weeks from now. The 'waiting' angst just gets worse and worse as the days and weeks pass. Been there - done that.

    This earlier than usual notification gives the candidates plenty of time to focus on Plan B - including thoughts about re-applying next year.
    If you do decide that you will re-apply, get with your MALO/FFR or shoot the RC an email and ask where your file could be improved.
    This gives you a leg up over first time applicants because you will know exactly what you need to do to make your file more competitive. :thumb:
     
  6. 509Blackknight

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    Spoke with our FFR last night regarding the NWL and he said it was unlikely that our DS would receive an offer of appointment. He based that assessment on having been informed that only 50-60 candidates would taken from the NWL and that the cut-off line being used was an average SAT of 720 plus.

    This may have been posted elsewhere, but he said that WP is currently over its max enrollment by law and that the next two-three classes were going to be in the 1150+/- range. Also, said that WP is going to start slowing its early offer process down - way down - like almost eliminating it.

    Anyway - thanks to all who have posted information and thank you to the mods. I have been trolling the site for weeks and the information has been invaluable.
     
  7. RLTW

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    Spot on. DS was in that spot a year ago (QNS), had 10 colleges including some highly recognizable ones accept him, chose a year of SAP/ECP at MMI, now a plebe (class of '15) at USMA doing super well, and he said the year of ROTC/MMI absolutely prepared him better for USMA and now he's glad he did it that way. The early time of notification definitely gave him ample time to consider his best Plan B option.

    If this encouragement helps, jump on it :thumb:
     
  8. Hooah1775

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    I am confused on what this means? "Average SAT of 720 plus"? Do you mean each section for Math(720+) and Crit. Reading(720+) or a total of 1440+?

    Please clarify. Thanks.
     
  9. katydid817

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    Sad news.

    Well, I joined Service Academy Forums in May 2010 and have been reading, reading, reading . . . this is my first post. And I am so sad to say it is because we received the letter today. Our DS has not been accepted for class of 2016. Yes, he has a plan B in place . . . but it's a shadow of what he had hoped for at West Point. He thinks he will reapply. The hard thing about that is I think once you start your freshman year at a college and an ROTC program you want to settle in, make friends and find a sense of belonging, not wait for the year to pass so you can go somewhere else. I guess we will see what the future brings. But I am heartbroken for him. Of course I (and everyone at his school, in our town and everyone who meets him) thought that he was perfect for West Point and would be accepted. I know in my heart that he belongs there. The senator and congressman who nominated him and everyone on their panel were so impressed by everything about him. But there you have it.
     
  10. 509Blackknight

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    Hooah - 720 average for reading and math or 1440 going up. I do not believe they are looking at a 680 math + 760 reading as an example. The math score is most critical.

    I am just repeating what I was told.

    Good Luck!
     
  11. kinnem

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    Sorry to hear that. But along the lines of a silver lining, ROTC should help him get better prepared for the Academy. Remind him to try to mimic the courses he would have taken had he gone to WP. Just from what I read on the forum, it helps, and it certainly wouldn't hurt if he decides to stay with the ROTC unit. He might actually find he likes the fit better with ROTC. Best wishes in all his endeavors.
     
  12. RLTW

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    Understood, DS also realized that he had to decide how much he wanted USMA when he was choosing his Plan B. His experience though is that several of his buddies from the ROTC program are again with him this year also at USMA, so it actually does not have to seem like a spent year with no future benefit in terms of either making friends and finding a sense of belonging. He also knows that those who remained in ROTC will still be his colleagues when he is past USMA and they remain in contact. It's an opportunity to make the most of, and in his experience USMA looked favorably on his persistence the second time around.

    Hope this helps.
     
  13. katydid817

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    Thanks.

    It does help. Thank you both for your replies. It means a lot that people are out there and we are not alone in this pursuit!
     
  14. katydid817

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    FYI

    Thought I would add that DS received his NWL letter in early January. Additionally, there is nothing changed on his portal. I just thought to mention these things since they are questions I know would be wondering about myself.

    Receiving this TWE so early like this seems especially disheartening. But, then again, there are so many "mysteries" to this process!
     
  15. gocubsgo

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    This has stressed me out.


    1.) I have not gotten my official SAT scores back yet (they arrive in four days) but during a practice test I scored a 770 in math and a 650 in reading. These are commensurate with my ACT scores (34m, 34 e, 31s, 26 r) it looks like, from what your FFR said, if I don't get the primary or the selection from my slate (from a very competitive area) then that's the end?




    2.) also I went to an admission activity for USMA and the speaker stressed (at least a dozen times) to GET EVERYTHING done EARLY. If USMA is not doing LOAs- then it is my understanding that the admissions team cant pick from the congressman/senator's slate until all ten of the MOCs nominations have their completed applications done-so what would be the hurry?
     
  16. cb7893

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    Katy, based on the encouragement and support your son received during this "mysterious" process, I would bet anyone on this forum dollars to donuts that his future will be fulfilling and make his family proud.

    I know that means nothing in the here and now to ease the disappointment.

    I have seen this quote attributed to everyone from John Wooden to Winston Churchill, "Success isn't final, failure isn't fatal: it's the courage to continue that counts".

    John Wooden did say, "It's not so important who starts the game but who finishes it." And I would add, how he finishes it.

    Best wishes and best of luck!
     
  17. kinnem

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    I know I responded earlier and I certainly understand your heartbreak for your son. But I have to add there is something about your comment
    that still sort of rubs me the wrong way. Did George Marshall go to WP? Hell no! Did Colin Powell go to WP? Hell no! His future will be whatever he makes of it and he can still have a rewarding and excellent career in the Army if he chooses to do that, WP or no. Also, since your son is impressive to everyone he may actually make out better if he stays where he goes his freshman year while doing AROTC. Big fish in a small pond theory! I know I don't need to tell you this, but don't discourage him from the path he goes down as being the lesser path. That wouldn't be good for anyone. (Yes, I know Im preaching to the choir... just felt the need to get on my soapbox for a moment).:thumb:
     
  18. katydid817

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    Moving forward!

    cb7893 and kinnem, you both state valid thoughts. And with 24 hours to let this sink in I am also getting in sync with that very thought process myself. DS is an outstanding young man and he will make an excellent officer even without West Point. We are extremely proud of him. He is amazing and he can excel in whatever he puts his mind to. He has it all – the grades, abilities, athleticism and desire to serve our country – he doesn’t need a certain school to become what he wants to be. It is NOT the thing that will define him - it is himself.
    Youth is a wonderful thing. DS is already re-routing his energy toward his plan B with determination to make it the best experience of his life. He has a full ROTC scholarship to the most senior military college. He knows this is a defining moment for him, and he is prepared to move on and jump into plan B with both feet. How’s that for an about face? Forward march!

    I just needed my moment to wallow. Thanks for your support!
     
  19. cb7893

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    parents are entitled to do a little wallowing...out of sight of our kids.

    Plan B sounds pretty good.
     
  20. kinnem

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    Good for your son. I have no doubt he will do well. And I appreciate the need to wallow. I would have too. That's part of what we're here for! :thumb:
     

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