question about nomination

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  1. ochoac2

    ochoac2 Member

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    So I posted here before about getting two nominations; one for each of the 2 slates of the same the congressmen. I also learned today that there are only 4 of us, including me, who got nominations from him to WP. What does it mean to get nominated on 2 slates from the same guy when only 4 people are competing for his top spots? are two people out of the four going to walk out with appointments given they are 3Q'd?
     
  2. Sledge

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    Maybe. In theory, yes; however, there are too many variables that are behind the scenes in admissions for anyone to answer in a definitive way on this forum for a specific case. It depends on the overall class competition, how both of the top two candidates fit into that class, and how many previous Cadets from that representative are at the academy. If #2 is a marginally qualified candidate and that rep already has three Cadets filling their nominations, it is likely that USMA will only take the top/one candidate.
     
  4. MemberLG

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    There is no "marginally" qualifed. A candidate is either quailifed or disqualified.
     
  5. 845something

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    Read it as marginal by the metrics when compared to the other qualified candidates. In any case, if your file isn't strong enough to add to the class profile in a meaningful way, then it is unlikely that admissions will make an offer to that second nomination candidate.
     
  6. USMAROTCFamily

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    I disagree with this. If a MOC has 2 open positions and sends in 2 different slates (albeit with the same candidates on both slates), and at least 2 candidates are qualified, then 2 will get appointments.
     
  7. Sledge

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    My DS was in this same situation last year. Only 4 nominated from his district for USMA - he found this out from RC. But, several times in the fall, the RC told my DS - "you're number 2" in the district. DS had a Senator nom and what we thought was a very strong file. But, we were still sweating it. In a later conversation with the RC about how DS stacked up on the Senator slate, the RC, out of nowhere, tells DS that our MOC had two slots that year so DS didn't need to worry about competing on the Senator slate. That was the first we'd heard about a second slot for our MOC. I was able to speak with the MOC's staffer at a reception shortly thereafter and she was very cryptic about how the nominations were submitted (competitive or principal and competing alternates). I couldn't get a straight answer out of her about whether they had submitted 2 slates or even that they had 2 slots that year. I really don't know if she knew about the second slot. I got the impression that "West Point knows all that." We were all sweating it, though, until, out of nowhere in January, he received a call from the MOC advising of his appointment. Those January appointments last year were for LOA's, Principal nominees, and "clear vacancy winners." Apparently, DS fell into that third category for the second MOC slot.
     
  8. MemberLG

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    Don't want to has an old debate about Principal nominee that is fully qualified not getting an appointment or Naval Academy not filling a Congressional vacancy with a qualified candidate. Most agreed that if a candidate has a principal appointment and full qualified, he or she will get an appointment and SA is oblgiated to fill a Congressional vacancy if there is a qualifed and nominated candidate for that vacancy

    If you are referring to the national waiting list, I agree that a "better" qualified candidate will beat a simple "qualified" candidate.
     
  9. billyb

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    I could be wrong, but I thought 845something was in USMA admissions or had some connection to it. If so, I think they probably have the best info of anyone here.
     
  10. kinnem

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    If so, there is no indication of it in 845something's profile. Further, memberLG is absolutely correct. It's a matter of law and the academy has no discretion here. If the MOC has two slots to fill and there is a separate individual on each slate who is qualified, then an appointment must be offered to that person.

    845something is correct when speaking of the NWL as was pointed out by both.
     
  11. billyb

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    You might want to double check on that info about 845. 845 might not want to weigh in on exactly what their role is, but the posts are very detailed and include info that probably only an insider has. On a topic as specific as the one in this thread I would want to be sure when I post "the academy has no discretion here." I am not attacking, but it might be a nuance of the system when there are potentially 2 open spots for a MOC.
     
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    I agree. 845 Something is awesome!
     
  13. 845something

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    I'm not trying to be argumentative, but when senior posters speak in definitive terms, it creates expectations with candidates. There is wiggle room for admissions in this area in the interpretation of the law regarding appointments in that they are only required to fill four of the five vacancies for each member of congress. In a particular district, that FFR might not have experienced that particular issue as they have always seen the second vacancy filled. This is not always the case nationwide.

    For any candidate, unless you have an LOA in hand, you should continue to strengthen your file all the way through the deadline, even after qualification, to make yourself as competitive as possible. You want to be #1 in your competition, not put your hope on admissions filling the second vacancy, or that #1 doesn't want he spot at West Point.
     
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    When I see the qualified and nominated numbers vs. the slots open how is it that out of that pool 50-60% are accepted but it only seems as if 1 out 10 or 1 out of 4 get it from any particular district. Shouldn't half of the candidates get one in each pool if it's a 50% acceptance rate? It confuses me.


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  15. jebdad

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    I would imagine that the senatorial slates see a better than 1 in 10.
    Last year on one of our state senatorial slates, all 10 were admitted.
     
  16. MemberLG

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    Yes, there are situation that are "execptional" or where SA do something different. But those situations are EXCEPTIONS. And we will never know the full details of why. Although, not bound any law, I am pretty sure if 845something worked in Admissions he won't share everything he knows. Admissions are traditionally very careful when dealing with a Congressional Office. Admissions better have good justification if they decide not to fill a Congressional vacancy whene a Congressman nominated a qualified candidate. Trying telling a Congressman that Admissions decided to reallocate one of his vacancies for a reason they cannot explain and doesn't follow the law.
     
  17. billyb

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    If I am 17 years old, #2 on both slates, and really want to go to USMA and read someone on this forum with thousands of posts write "It's a matter of law and the academy has no discretion here. If the MOC has two slots to fill and there is a separate individual on each slate who is qualified, then an appointment must be offered to that person" then in my 17 year old mind I am in. Time to tell all my buddies, teachers, etc... 845 simply stated that isn't 100% always the case. It probably is most often, but don't throw that party yet. It is just a matter of not setting expectations.

    BTW, 845 seems to be the correct area code for an insider.....
     
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