Question from potential Kings Pointer

Discussion in 'Merchant Marine Academy - USMMA' started by usnacandidate89, Feb 8, 2011.

  1. usnacandidate89

    usnacandidate89 Member

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    I have received a nomination for both the USMMA as well as USNA. Both are obviously highly sea-fairing entities, which is my main draw to both of them. However, my dream of becoming a pilot for either lies in the decision that I make now. I could be wrong, but it seems as though the USNA is a more direct route to becoming airborne. On the other hand, I love the options that USMMA provides upon graduation. So, I suppose my question is what is the reality, difficulty of, differences in entering pilot school after graduation from USMMA as compared to USNA. Thank you in advance for any helpful responses.
     
  2. kp2001

    kp2001 USMMA Alumnus

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    The route would be exactly the same from USMMA as it is USNA. You would graduate and then go to API in Pensacola, FL as long as you are selected.

    Works pretty much the same at USNA.
     
  3. Problem?

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    To my knowledge, King's Point has more flight spots than Navy.

    Thus, your chances would be better at KP.
     
  4. usnacandidate89

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    Thank you Kp2001 and Problem? for your response. For Problem? how would/could KP provide for more flight slots than the Navy? And for Kp2001, it seems to me as though if KP is training one primarily for the purpose of becoming a Merchant Marine Officer, how does one seperate themselves to become a pilot? Also, wouldn't API look more favorably upon one who as graduated from USNA to be eligible for their program? Again, I could be wrong, just looking for some answers, thank you.
     
  5. KP2013dramamama

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    What do you want to fly? One of WI's 2013 midshipmen has his place locked up already for flight school to fly for a chopper for the marines.
     
  6. kp2001

    kp2001 USMMA Alumnus

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    I'll answer this one as well: It's not more slots overall it's a better percentage. This has actually been debated a bit. The end result is that no hard and fast numbers can be found getting an aviation slot out of Kings Point seems to be a bit easier than out of USNA. The reasoning: fewer people competing for the slots.

    When you graduate KP you can commission as an active duty officer in any of the services. This would allow you to go straight to aviation training just as if you were a ROTC or USNA grad. API (btw API is Aviation Preflight Indoc, it's the first stop for aviation training, they do nothing in regards to selection) doesn't care what you're major/college was.
     
  7. kdbax

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    KP2001 - I've sent a PM. Just a question....
     
  8. KP2010

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    My advice to you would be to go to USNA if you want to fly. I applied for Aviation this year but out of 20 or so that applied only 5 were selected for Pilot. Past years have been more but saying that KP gets more slots or you have a better chance at getting flight is in my opinion completely false. Now if you just want to fly and don't care which branch you get in then yes you have a good shot at getting aviation. For instance if you apply soon enough for an Army slot then you will most likely get it. Just be aware that these slots change in number from year to year and you could get screwed like my class did. Have a back up career prepared and KP has the opportunities to do almost anything.
     
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    KP2010 I hope you find what you want. I'll keep you in my prayers
     
  10. kp2001

    kp2001 USMMA Alumnus

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    Any further info on this:

    How many were selected for NFO?
    How many did not have competitive package? (ie low GPA, low ASTB, late interest)
    How many were not physically qualified for pilot?

    That type of info would be awesome in helping to explain the low selection rate this year. The other reason is likely a decreased selection rate Navy wide. (Currently too many people in the aviation training pipeline)

    As an aside: the other option that KP gives you that the other Academies don't is that you could potentially apply for aviation again the week or year after you graduate and transfer from the reserves.
     
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    KP2001: 5 were selected Pilot, 5 selected for NFO (I don't know how many accepted the slots for NFO)...just about everyone was physically qualified or got waivers (I didn't ask the people personally because if you weren't selected it didn't really matter) everyone who applied I would say had rather good GPAs, ASTB you would have to ask the individuals, I myself had good ASTB scores and an OK GPA. From my understanding it was just a really bad year for people seeking naval aviation slots there was a massive reduction for everyone (except USNA from what I hear from my friends who graduated the same year as me there). The numbers could go up again but it varies year to year.

    KP2013dramamama: thanks for the prayers
     
  12. usnacandidate89

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    So after doing some research on this matter, it seems as though there is no quantifiable answer. Though I find this issue hard to believe, it does seem as though the pendulum sways more towards USMMA when it comes to precentages. Though the odds seem greater to get it in, is not to say that one academy has an advantage over another. NAS is seeing only the 'Cream-of-the-crop' entering their doors, with the economy to facilitate this. So, is the USMMA a hidden treasure to those seeking to become airborne? Or is it a vessel (excuse the pun) to train those in all things pertaining to the operation of an American ship? I guess the trouble I am having is seeing how the two can be one-in the-same…
     
  13. wth51

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    The USMMA gives you the most options after graduation bar none. My DS wants to be 1. An Officer in the US Military 2. A Helicopter Pilot. He has received 4yr scholarships for AROTC and AFROTC. He has an appointment to The USMMA and is 3qd with at least 1 nom to each of the rest of the Academies. Deferred to regular admission USCGA. He is still unsure as to a major in college but is leaning toward Engineering. Any of the branches of the military will work more or less to achieve his goals. Out of all these options his best chance for Aviation is the USMMA. Less competition for the flight slot. He figures why not go to the USMMA with an open mind and come out with a 3rd Mates License, something he may truly end up loving, and a commission in any branch of the service he chooses. In 4 years he would be able to see where the world is at and make an educated decision at that time. Either become a Merchant Mariner or go in the military. If he goes in the military and it does not work out, he has his Merchant Marine license to fall back on. As long as you don't mind being at sea for long periods of time it is a great deal. God Bless and Good Luck.:thumb:
     
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  14. kp13

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    False... Not even possible.
     
  15. jasperdog

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    So first let me say the reason you are having trouble seeing how the two can be one-in the-same is because they are, at least as far as your question is concerned, and in my opinion, about as much the same as night and day.

    The primary purpose for the opening of the USMMA and it's continued operation as a Federal Service Academy is indeed to train those who attend in all things pertaining to the operation of a commercial vessel and/or shipping company. That is as it was and will likely always be. That said, as has been noted, a USMMA graduate can also opt to satisfy their obligation by going Active Duty Military and some of those opportunities result in USMMA graduates going on to become military aviators.

    Further as you note the Naval Academy, and indeed all the Service Academies, including USMMA and USCGA, as well as USMA and USAFA are currently seeing pretty much only the "cream of the crop" enter their doors. They are all great schools and great deals for those who want to or are willing to accept the post graduate obligation to serve. That said, some will tell you, and I would agree, that any small difference in the ease of obtaining admission to USMMA vice USNA you might see or experience, could well be more than made up for by the difficulty experienced getting through USMMA and graduating, especially if it's not a place where you really want to be or where you've decided you have every intention of getting through no matter how hard it is. As with getting in, getting through all five SAs is work and hard, the first/freshman (Plebe) year and the second (Third Class) years at USMMA are especially tough to acclimate to. The academic calendar crams 4 years into three and they are long - basically 11 months long. A trimester at USMMA is basically a 16 week semester at most other colleges and universities crammed into 14 weeks. If you are not mature, your first sea year will be an eye opener and you may find yourself looking for any way out - the easiest being resignation, or you may find yourself with a few short weeks before returning to campus with a tremendous amount of your sea project to get done else facing dis-enrollment.

    I'm not trying to scare you I am just saying that regardless of which opportunity you may pursue, any that includes getting through a Federal Service Academy to get to your goal will be hard. Further I am indeed agreeing the primary purpose of the USMMA is to train and equip the world's best Merchant Mariners and the primary purpose of the USNA is to train and equip the worlds best Naval and Marine Corps Officers. If your first choice/life's dream is one or the other of these things than to me your first choice should be pretty clear. Bottom line is I disagree with your statement "... on this matter, it seems as though there is no quantifiable answer." I think percentages are meaningless and easily skewed in smaller populations (USMMA's graduating class is less than 1/5th the size each year of USNA's). The answer is both quantifiable and straight-forward, and keep in mind I'm a USMMA graduate, I'm not saying USMMA isn't a great choice or we don't offer a great set of options and opportunities - it is and it does. I'm just responding to your question and points directly.

    Good luck.
     
  16. kpmom2011

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    Excellent Jasperdog......I've been away from the forums for a while and forgot how awesome your answers are!! Great Job!

    FYI,,, my son who is graduating 2011 is a systems engineering major with a respectable gpa and the folks during his navy interview kept asking him..."don't you want to fly....are you sure you don't want to fly?" So I find that amusing and hopefully gives a little insight to usnacandidate about opportunities out of KP.:shake:
     

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