question re competitive slate

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  1. craeder

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    I have what I hope is not a naive question. Our Congressman hasn't announced his slate yet but uses the competitive method. DS is applying to USNA (only) and knows someone in the same congressional district with a LOA (recruited athlete). If it turns out that the Congressman only has one opening at USNA for 2016, would the LOA-holder fill that slot (I don't believe has any other noms at this point) and the other 9 named on the slate still move on to be considered for an appointment, even tho the Congressman's one USNA slot is taken? Or am I missing something and our DS's chances of appointment are reduced (DS does know that he is 3Q'd)? The Congressman was our DS's best shot at a nom (he applied to VP; has been turned down by one senator). And just curious -- if there were two people with LOAs and only one slot, what happens then?

    Thank you.
     
  2. MemberLG

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    Depends on if the recurited athlete with LOA gets a nomination from your MOC or not and he or she is fully qualified.

    Even if the recruited athlete gets a nomination from your MOC, he might get other nominations.

    So a SA could use a different vacancy to appoint the recurited athlete and still use your MOC's vacancy to appoint someone from the district.

    Sometimes recruited athletes change their mind, get medically disqualifed, not academically qualify.
     
  3. buff81

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    Ditto what MemberLG said but wanted to add-
    On a competitive slate, the candidate with the highest WCS gets the nom. If there is a LOA on the slate, then usually that would mean that the LOA gets the slot assuming that LOA would have the highest WCS. If there are 2 LOAs, the one with the highest WCS, gets the slot. The other LOA would probably get one of the NWL slots.
    IMPO - if a MOC has candidates with LOAs, it is better for his/her candidates to submit a ranked slate and put the LOAs at the bottom and let another deserving non-LOA recipient get the slot - but that's another discussion.
    This is a good example as why it is good to have more than one nom. As MemberLG said, if the reruited athlete has more than one nom, then maybe WP will use another nom for that candidate, leaving your Reps nom for another candidate.
    Are you more confused now? :wink:
     
  4. Packer

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    There are times that the candidate with an LOA does not have the highest WCS on the slate. If on a competitive slate does the LOA still get the slot or will they receive one off of the NWL?
     
  5. MemberLG

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    My understanding is that the admissions office will find a slot for the LOA candidate. If the LOA candidate can be matched up the MOC slot, life is good. Otherwise, there are other options for the admissions office

    Also, I do think that the admissions office are careful about giving out LOAs. Most LOAs I have seen for MD already had nominations (mostly Presidential).


    http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode10/usc_sec_10_00004342----000-.html

    "The Superintendent may nominate for appointment each year 50 persons from the country at large"

    "If the annual quota of cadets under subsection (b)(1), (2), (3) is not filled, the Secretary may fill the vacancies by nominating for appointment other candidates from any of these sources who were found best qualified on examination for admission and not otherwise nominated."
     
  6. crair70

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    How could someone with a nom (presidential) get an loa? I would assume they were not 3q then ( so waiting on Dodmerbs or low cfa or academics...?) the way I understood it is if you are 3q and have a presidential you are only competing for an appointment and not eligible for an loa. I am confused?
     
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    If you are 3Q with a presidential, you would receive an appointment rather than an LOA. The LOA would serve no purpose in this case.
     
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    thanks Packer-
    My DS is in that position- 3Q with presidential- no LOA no appointment. HE was encouraged to interview for MOC nom which he did last week and we are on pins and needles waiting to find out if he got it or not. MOC uses principle with unranked alternates.

    BGO explained that he thought USNA was waiting to see if he go a MOC nom as to use his presidential or charge him to MOC... He said having both noms would give the USNA more play with who to charge an appointment to (assuming he was lucky enough to get an appointment). Does this seem like a fair explanation? I understand only 100 presidentials can be given out- guess if he got a MOC nom it would free up a presidential for someone else.
    Saw last year there were 800+ presidential noms but wonder how many of those candidates were 3Q...
     
  9. craeder

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    So for our DS without the LOA, the competition becomes more fierce in my hypothetical, right? I am just trying to get my head around the possibilities (yes, he has a Plan B and C and...).
     
  10. MemberLG

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    First, will the kid with LOA 3Q or not.
    Second, if the kid with LOA 3Qs, will USNA use the MOC's vacancy or something else.
    Third, assuming your DS gets the nomination, how does he stack up against his competition. If the LOA for the other kid is based sports only, your DS might not compete against him. Least from what I have seen, most recruited athletes are charged againt MOC vacancies
     
  11. craeder

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    Every time I think I get this, I realize I don't! I just assumed someone with a LOA was 3Q'd by default but I guess not! Just like I recently figured out that noms could be given to someone who isn't 3Q'd either, which seems counter-intuitive (waste of a nom?).

    Thanks -- as always, this forum is extremely helpful... Some day I might figure it out -- maybe in time for our DD who is 5 years behind?!?:biggrin:
     

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