Rated slots out today!

Pima, can AFROTC cadets swap UPT bases? I know here, if two firsties want to swap bases and do the paperwork, it's a pretty quick process.
 
From USAFA, you can get ENJJPT through an additional application process, so having a good GPA, class rank, and having significant leadership positions are probably the best way to go.
 
Yes, USAFA cadets put in their preferences for UPT bases - either Vance, Sheppard, Laughlin, or Columbus.
 
Curiosity question about ENJJPT and AFA cadets. AFROTC cadets must compete for the slot at a national board. I can't recall the statistics, but I believe they take the top 10 or 15% of those selected for pilot. Thus, the question is it just asking for ENJJPT or do they compete?

I believe that AFROTC cadets that want ENJJPT will meet the board very soon...or maybe they just met. I just recall reading that it is done early fall.
 
Curiosity question about ENJJPT and AFA cadets. AFROTC cadets must compete for the slot at a national board. I can't recall the statistics, but I believe they take the top 10 or 15% of those selected for pilot. Thus, the question is it just asking for ENJJPT or do they compete?

I believe that AFROTC cadets that want ENJJPT will meet the board very soon...or maybe they just met. I just recall reading that it is done early fall.

ENJJPT results for AFROTC have already been released this year. 52 cadets across the nation were selected from AFROTC to go to Sheppard.
 
With only 52 cadets selected that says to me in my uneducated assessment that for AFA cadets it is just asking for ENJJPT or the AFA has their own mini board. Figure that they wing a class at the same rate as the other UPT bases, but because it is only fighters, they are smaller. Assume 15, and assume still a wawshout rate of 25%, thus a starting class of 20. Mathematically about 275-300 pass through annually. 225-250 would be AFA.

Not to take this too much off topic, but for lurkers/posters of 2019 candidates that dream of flying a 22 or 35 and feel that this is an edge com!pared to AFROTC, if my assumption is correct than yes, there is the motivation to not only get in, but commission!

You may still get UPT, not ENJJPT, but your chances of getting ENJJPT is probably higher from the AFA.
~ Always remember ... People plan... God laughs!

Also, Stealth highlighted what I was trying to illustrate regarding why UPT may slow down or speed up or drops change. It is the Big Blue picture. They are starting the conversion with the 16s to the 35. We had friends back in the stone age when the Strike came on board...they were initial cadre and sent to the school house in 88. The big transition to an OPs squadron came in 91/92 because they had enough of IPs to train and set up a squadron.

It is a balancing act...they need to keep the16s combat ready, but yet at the same time pull experienced pilots and get them through the 35 program so they can become IPs and train the new kids. Throwing more into the 16 right now is very expensive, think millions between fuel and sims. Stealth stated in his post the pipeline is clogged because of the transition.

I recall Stealth announcing his DS got a 16 @20 months ago. Bullet had stated to me, in a few years I expect his DS will be flying the 35. Timing wise he will be an ideal candidate...young enough,but also experienced.

The reason I state that is because a large chunk of your career will be timing and that you have absolute no control over.
~ Wing in one class and you get a 16 or 22 ...wing the class before or after and you get a Strike or heck a 'B52 because that is what dropped!

Only 6-9 months ago the conversation was about A10s dropping,or the lack thereof, now it is 16s. Next year it probably will be about 35 drops!

Timing baby!
 
I only know from what my ’16 kid has said about ENJJPT and it is still very competitive for AFA cadets. This is his goal and he has positioned himself to be as competitive as he can for selection - Jump, Soaring IP, squadron stan/eval clerk last year, group staff this semester and squadron Honor NCO next semester. Throw in an engineering major and high class ranking and he’s still not sure how he will fare next year.
 
Being top rated is hardly a guarantee of ENJJPT. I was number 1 or 2 in my squadron with great grades and leadership positions but my 2008-2009 AOC wasn't exactly an advocate of me (unlike my AOC after him). I got stuck with Laughlin while 4 other squadron mates got ENJJPT. There were a plethora of people rated lower than me by the board order of merit who received ENJJPT. Looking back, that board was a bit plagued with brown-nosing.
 
Being top rated is hardly a guarantee of ENJJPT. I was number 1 or 2 in my squadron with great grades and leadership positions but my 2008-2009 AOC wasn't exactly an advocate of me (unlike my AOC after him). I got stuck with Laughlin while 4 other squadron mates got ENJJPT. There were a plethora of people rated lower than me by the board order of merit who received ENJJPT. Looking back, that board was a bit plagued with brown-nosing.

That’s a good lesson to learn early in your career. I think you will find going forward there are a lot of inequities like that in the AF. The plum assignments don’t always go to those you think they should. I’ve told my son that all you can do is prepare yourself the best you can and hope for a fair shot.
 
Sorry again: What is ENJJPT? I assume Pt is pilot training.

ENJJPT= Euro-Nato Joint Jet Pilot Training...basically same as regular UPT BUT the students are tracked to T-38s and almost guaranteed to fly fighters...Euro NATO countries send their best and brightest and pay US big bucks to train their countrymen into future fighter pilots.
 
Not counting Sheppard, pros and cons of being assigned to the other 3 UPT locations??
 
Honestly you are getting in the weeds now..
Del Rio is not a hot spot, but if you have family in TX it is s pro.

There is no pro or con from a career perspective it all comes down to investigating what type of weather/city life you want!

They are ALL not areas that you would necessarily say...hey, I always wanted to visit there! Let us pay for an airline ticket or get in à car for 2 days to see it!
 
That’s a good lesson to learn early in your career. I think you will find going forward there are a lot of inequities like that in the AF. The plum assignments don’t always go to those you think they should. I’ve told my son that all you can do is prepare yourself the best you can and hope for a fair shot.

+1 :thumb:

This advice applies to all the branches and the civilian world as well. Learning the lesson early is actually a good thing. Control what you can and don't worry about the rest.
 
+1 :thumb:

This advice applies to all the branches and the civilian world as well. Learning the lesson early is actually a good thing. Control what you can and don't worry about the rest.

It's very true. Despite the lack of guaranteed T-38s here....assuming I can get back into training, I think I'm pretty darn competitive. Just a change of scenery and who knows what's to come.
 
You can check the DoDMERB threads about me and color vision. It's a VERY long story and ongoing right now. I plan to post a long story about it once everything is done. I've been out of training and sitting on my @$$ for about 8 months now. Might be well into next year before anything happens one way or another for me.
 
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