Reapplying Again

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  1. Broncofan

    Broncofan New Member

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    I am currently a freshman in college and as of right now I am on the NWL, however due to the small amount of people expected to be accepted from the NWL I am assuming or at least preparing for next year as far as plans and to reapply and such. Currently I go to UC Irvine a well respected school and I am in Army ROTC there. However next year I plan to go to a jc mainly for financial reasons and I am wondering;

    1) If the switch from a 4 year (UCI) to a jc will hurt my chances of admission due to the difference in academic strength of the schools,

    2) If not particpating in ROTC (because I am at the jc) will hurt my chances. As far as activites I will make up for not being in ROTC with clubs, jobs, and hopefully being on the swim team at the jc. ANyways I worry that not being ROTC next may make it look like I am not committed to being an officer, can anyone give me feedback/advice on this course of action?

    Thank you.
     
  2. MemberLG

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    Depends,

    If you are a weak candidate, you should stay at the college (assuming you are getting good grades, if not all bets are off). Knew a candidate that had not so good grades and lows SAT, attending local JC. I asked why he didn't retaked the SAT. The answer was since I am doing [Junior] college, I didn't think SAT mattered. Perhaps if you were getting stright As at a top tier college, but not at a JC.

    If you are strong candidate, going to JC can be easily explained as a financial hardship.

    Did you get a ROTC nomination?

    Were you interviewed by a FFR/MALO?
     
  3. Broncofan

    Broncofan New Member

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    Thanks for the response Member LG :smile: I'm not sure how to classify myself as a strong or weak candidate. I got a nomination through my congressman and I was 3q'd, however my grades at UCI were mediocre but my major is engineering (as if that is an excuse for C's and B's haha). My ACT was 29 and SAT was 1860 which are decent but not good enough to get into WP obviously, I will be retaking them this year and next academic year in order to become a more competitive candidate. Also the CFA was a weak point, I passed but my mile time was subpar however that will again be improved for the upcoming year. So with that knowledge do you think a jc will be detrimental?
     
  4. BigNick

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    You have do do what you have to do financially. However, in my opinion you would be be in a stronger position by going to a high ranking school and being in the ROTC. However, JC is not necessarily the 'kiss of death" if you get great grades and are very active in your new school's activities.
    What we do not know is how strong a candidate you were and your grades in college.
     
  5. GoArmyBeatNavy

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    Broncofan,
    Have you sent an email to your admissions officer with your plan? They might be able to give you some advice.
     
  6. dunninla

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    My opinion only... there is no substitute for staying to correct a weakness at the place where the weakness showed itself. By that I mean your UCI grades. West Point probably considers itself at par or harder than UC Irvine Engineering (personally I think it is par, considering the ave SAT, HS GPA, etc. at UCI Engineering). UCI is a top 50 ranked University per US News.

    So, best choice is to somehow stay at UCI, and get the B/C grades up to A/B grades. Going to a community college will not correct the impression that the best you can do in a competitive academic environment (WP, UCI) is B/C. Actually considering your 1860 SAT, I think you are to be applauded for getting B/C in a tough engineering program. Even if you get As at Community College, the WP Admissions file reader will likely assume that B/C at UCI = A at CC, and see no concrete evidence of in-classroom improvement.

    Even if you improve your SAT and PFT, you will always leave the impression of a B/C student unless you improve that *at* UCI.
     
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    Seriously? You yourself point out your lowish SAT, lowish CFA, and lowish GPA, and you say you're not sure? What does it take to make you sure? The first step to improvement is an honest, rational assessment of specific areas (all 3 unfortunately) that must be improved. You CAN improve all three, and I hope you do, but first you must realize how critical that is, because at present you are probably in the lower third of WP applicants in WCS.
     
  8. Broncofan

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    @Go ArmyBeatNavy I have talked to my FFR about this plan, but that's a good idea I should email my admissions officer as well.

    @Dunninla Since UCI is on the quarter system I have this quarter currently and one more quarter before the year ends which will give me time to improve my grades. This quarter I am seeing an improvement, we are halfway through it and my grades should be A's and B's, next quarter I also plan to take a few gen ed classes in order to help my gpa as well. If I stayed at UCI for next year WP would only see 1 additional quarter of grades anyways.

    As far as how strong of a candidate I am, I was unsure of how to classify myself. Like I said I have been nominated and 3'qd so that means I am admissable. But I am aware of the weak spots of my application and like I said I plan to improve on all 3 of them as well as continue to maintain/improve my exctracuricculars.
     
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    That is the most important thing you have said so far! Yes, if you show As & Bs both this quarter, and Spring Quarter, you will have gone a long way to correct the B/C grades from Fall Quarter. Combine that with a higher SAT, higher PFT, and indeed you will have strengthened all three weak areas of your file.
     
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    I can't remember the exact numbers, but I believe about 3000 get 3Qed and of those about 2000 gets nomination, so you are within top 2000. However, my guess is that your in a competitive congressional district, so you might have a hard time winning the vacancy. Yes, both MOC and West Point like reapplicants as it shows committment. At the same time, if you don't have the accomplishments to back it up being an reapplicant won't help.

    I am always hesitant to recommend this but consider enlisting in the active duty or Army reserves/National Guard. Simply there are 85 appointments reserved for enlisted soldiers and 85 appointments reserved for Reserve or NG soldiers. The cacth is that if you don't get into West Point, you have to serve your time in the Army.
     
  11. RLTW

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    85/85

    Curious, are these numbers identical year over year, or is this an average or?? :confused: I hear similar numbers but not always identical, is this an annually revised policy or codified somewhere?

    Thanks,
    RLTW
     
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    You mean you DON"T have to serve your time in the Army if you DO get into West Point?:confused::biggrin::shake:
     
  13. MemberLG

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    It's codified,

    http://openjurist.org/title-10/us-c...-appointment-numbers-territorial-distribution

    (2) 85 nominated by the Secretary of the Army from enlisted members of the Regular Army.

    (3) 85 nominated by the Secretary of the Army from enlisted members of reserve components of the Army
     
  14. MemberLG

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    Big difference between serving in the Army as an enlisted vs officer.

    Have talked to many candidates that had no clue about the Army, many can talk how good West Point is don't make the connection.
     
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  15. Broncofan

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    Member LG I was actually very much considering that, however after talking to my FFR about that back up plan he told me getting a degree should be the most important thing. His logic was I can reapply and if I don't make it I still have the options of ROTC or OCS to become an officer.
     
  16. BigNick

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    These are stats officially published by WP ("Official Profile of the West Point Class of 2015). I verified my analysis of these stats with a current RC.
    After all was said and done last year - there were 2,540 candidates that had a nomination AND were 3Qd (totally qualified by WP). 1,261 (49%) entered the Class of 2015. Therefore if you get both a nomination and are 3Qd you still have only about a 50-50 chance of getting admitted. There are a lot of moving parts here (source of nomination, type of nomination, Title 10 considerations etc) but in general - the higher your WCS (candidate score determined by WP) the better your chances.
     

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