remedial urine test

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  1. falconfather

    falconfather Member

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    my son completed his medical but when we checked it said he had to take another urine test. He worked out alot (is playing football for academy) and takes alot of protein, but his mother an i are concerned that there may be something wrong. Is this a normal procedure, to have them retake a urine test, and should we worry that there may be some other medical problem?
    he never fasted or did anything before his last test, they said he didn't need to when i called and set appt. so he drank a shake and worked out before he went!
     
  2. flyboy

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    you never want to have an excess of protein before a urine test, just like you wouldnt want to drink coffee before a blood pressure test (i did that and had to do a remedial). when he goes for remedials just tell him to lay off the protein a bit and drink lots of water. he should be fine if he does that.
     
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    There has been a lot of discussion on this topic in the past. It is a fairly common item in the process. Here is a link to a past thread on the subject:

    http://serviceacademyforums.com/showthread.php?t=144

    If you do a search of the forums for "protien" or "urine", you will come up with a couple of other threads on the subject, too. Our son went through the re-testing, also.

    Stealth_81
     
  4. falconfather

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    thanks for the help and feedback, I'll make sure he hydrates well and doesn't have any shakes for a few days. He's trying to gain weight for football!
     
  5. ross747

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    Not gunna lie, i did 12 urine tests for the academy. I still got in.
     
  6. Just_A_Mom

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    this may not be enough - your son should avoid excessive physical activity for 3 days prior to his urine test. He should not do any physical activity that makes him sweat. He should not lift weights or run. (He may however leave his bed for school and chores - :wink: )
    My daughter drank plenty of fluids and chose to skip her sports practice and a varisty game to work this around her physical.
    Since your son spilled protein on the first test you want to do everything possible to have a good second test.
    Good Luck!
     
  7. Bullet

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    Just a heads-up to all you young men and women applying to the SAs: once you enter the active service, random urine tests become a way of life. (Not sure if the SAs also make their cadets/midshipmen take random urine tests as well. Any current cadet/middie able to tell us if this is the case?).

    In the AF (or at least at the last few bases I've been stationed at), each month the base will randomly select a number, 0 - 9. If the last digit of your Social Security Number matches the number selected, you can expect to get an "official order" one day that month to report to a specific location within the next few hours to give a urine sample. Also, your commander has the right to order you to give a urine sample at any time if they suspect something's "fishy". Usually, to show complete fairness to the process, they will order EVERYONE in the unit to give a sample.

    I was at a base in the 90s where the Maintenance Commander suspected a few individuals of using illegal drugs. He order the ENTIRE unit to stand down for a morning and report to the lab for urine samples. Imagine the shock throughout the base when 19 of his crew chiefs were flagged for marijuana use! SCARY! We also had a young airman in our squadron just recently get caught using steriods (which was a thread earlier either here or on CC). This young man is now using his new-found improved physique to make smaller rocks out of big rocks for the next year (i.e. he was sent to the Diciplinary Barracks (i.e. military prison) at Camp Lejuene), reduced in grade to E-0, and forced to forfiet his salary for 6 months. Ouch!

    Bottom Line: This isn't your standard civilian job. You are kept to a higher standard, and UCMJ allows the services to circumvent rights civilians take for granted to ensure you keep those standards. Get used to it now, and DO NOT put ANYTHING into your body that might be "questionable". There are always "easier" roads in life; the military expects you to follow the honorable one..... :thumb:
     
  8. Bullet

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    And please don't read anything more into this than the fact that urine tests are common on active duty. I am making no acusations about any young man or woman who was asked to re-take the urine test. I'm sure they are all fine, upstanding individuals. It does happen sometimes that a urine test will be tainted (not properly processed by the lab), or will flag for unusual indications (through no fault of the individual). Laugh it off, and re-take the sample.

    Oh, BTW, drink plenty of water on your way to the test. Once you report, you need to "fill the cup" before you are dismissed back to work. Nothing worse than standing around drinking bottle of water after bottle of water in the lab until you feel "ready" to give a full sample! :wink:
     
  9. USNA69

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    Before we engage the puritanical titillations of too many posters about the true reasons for the 'tainted' urine samples of these "fine, upstanding individuals" , what these candidates were refering to was the DodMERB urine sample. Too much protein, at least for these particular individuals, is usually a sign of a very physically active lifestyle. Actually the DodMERB retake instructions state to remain very sedentary the three days prior to the retake. I remember a year or so ago that some candidate did not want to follow these instructions because she felt weightlifting with the football team was more important.

    This whole thread should probably have been on Doc’s forum.
     
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    Or candidates can be happy to have gained some active duty insight of what to expect and how things will run after graduation. I always appreciate Bullet's info since I'm not long from going active duty.

    With that in mind, we do have random urine tests here. I haven't been tested in probably 8 months. But it can be expected that a squadron will be chosen (and about 1/3-1/2 in the squadron) every 5 months or so.
     
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    Absolutely. Perhaps those who wish to do so will appropriately start a new thread and have at it.

    On this particular thread, for those who do not bother to read the entire thread and/or the links thereof, it perhaps could have implied other than a medical urinanalysis.
     
  12. Bullet

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    Again, emphasis added to the first line of my second post.

    I do understand that this thread dealt with these individuals worrying about havign to re-take the DODMERB test. I was just hoping to add to their knowledge base the fact that having to randomly take this test will become SOP when they become a member in the military.

    Again, my apologies if anyone read these facts as accusations or implications of impropriety.
     
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    To clear up any confusion, and before this thread goes completely wacko, DoDMERB does not test for any drugs with the urine test. The test they do is purely for medical purposes, checking for increased levels of protein and sugar.

    Any level of protein in the urine is cause for DoDMERB to request a repeat urine. Most of the time it is due to an applicant doing heavy activities just proir to doing the urine test, or by taking protein supplements. Best thing to do is take 3 days off of activities, and if they are taking any sort of protein supplement, to stop that for at least a week.
     
  14. falconfather

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    remedial retake negative

    Thanks to all who contributed in the thread, my son refrained from working out( very hard for him) and drinking protein along with consuming several gallons of water over 3 days and retook the test. All is fine now, and hopefully we can get on to the next step.
    thanks again for the advice.
     
  15. USNAp

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    bump

    thanks for these posts. I did not know it was so important on the refraining from physical activity. My son is participating in a very strenous summer crew program (6 days/wk). His DoDMerb physical is about 48 hours after his last crew practice. I hope it will be enough. I'll have him drink lots of water.

    Regards
     
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  17. MullenLE

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    DoDMERB does NOT perform any drug testing. Drug testing is accomplished within 72 hours of arriving at a Service Academy. ROTC programs will also perform drug testing as specified by their Service. They are obligated to comply with federal statutes and DoD policy.

    DoDMERB does perform medical testing urinalysis checking for increased protein and suger levels. There is no fasting requirement and active applicants often have elevated levels and require re-tests. It is recommended that if an applicant is required to re-test, they reduce their activity levels substantially 3 days prior to the re-test.

    Hope this helps:thumb:
     
  18. ainokea

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    does thee concorde dodmerb required for NMMI make you do a drug test, and if not is it done before LTC or the start of school because LTC is over the summer
     
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    After 1 PM MST today, send me an email with your full name; last 4 SSN; to Larry.Mullen@dodmerb.tma.osd.mil. I can assist U better from there. (We expect our system will be up after that time today):thumb:
     

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