Remember last year? Navy does.

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  1. Dad

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    After staging a feel-good comeback Saturday to force overtime against Air Force, Navy took the lead for the first time on a 1-yard touchdown run by senior quarterback Kriss Proctor.

    Then came a penalty that Proctor, his teammates and Navy coach Ken Niumatalolo probably won't forget.

    Proctor was called for unsportsmanlike conduct, forcing a long extra-point kick that was blocked by Air Force's Alex Means. Then the Falcons used a 1-yard touchdown run by senior quarterback Tim Jefferson and an extra point by kicker Parker Herrington to pull out a 35-34 victory before 37,506 fans.

    Despite rallying from an 18-point deficit in the fourth quarter, the Midshipmen (2-2) walked off the field angry and disappointed.

    "The game should not come down to a call like that," said Navy fullback Alexander Teich, who ran for 148 yards on 35 carries. "We worked so hard. To have a call like that was pitiful. It was horrible."

    Referee Mike Defee later explained the penalty by saying, "The Navy player got in the face of an Air Force player right after the play."

    Niumatalolo and Proctor were furious. "Everything was going our way until the penalty," Niumatalolo said. "That is an unfortunate call to make in a hard-fought game. It's a service academy game with two teams who will be serving their country. It was a huge penalty; it changed everything. I hope those guys can sleep well tonight."

    Said Proctor: "I got up and started to head to our sideline. Some guy got in my way and I said, 'Move.' Then the referee made the call."

    The penalty forced Navy to kick its extra point from 35 yards out. Jon Teague's conversion attempt struck the left hand of Means. After the blocked kick, the Falcons (3-1) moved quickly into position for the win. Air Force has beaten Navy twice in a row following seven consecutive defeats in the series, but this one was unlike all the rest.


    The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/afa/ci_19022272#ixzz28Mp2cTka


    I'm sure Navy is bringing everything they have against us Saturday. It should be a good one.

    Go Air Force!
     
  2. Christcorp

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    Personally, I have no sympathy for Navy. What proctor did was wrong and he knew it. So did his coach. And with the later events of proctor resigning and leaving the academy early, I'm sure he wasn't to totally innocent mid he claimed to be last fall.

    But beyond that, it was just an extra point. The penalty had no affect on the kick. That distance is normal "High School" field goal kicking. The fact is; the kicker didn't make the best kick and their offensive line didn't hold back air force's defense and the kick was blocked. Happens all the time. Even on regular extra point kicks.

    I definitely give props to navy for making one hell of a comeback last year. Air Force had a commanding lead and they slacked off. But any navy player complaining about the call, was only saying words they "had to". Words designed to not show internal strife. But behind closed doors, the team mates were probably telling Proctor other words.

    Whether Navy brings everything they have or not, I don't think is going to be an issue. They have so many issues right now with their team, that they aren't thinking about last year. They are all working real hard at trying to fix their average defense and their non-existent offense. That's what they'll be concentrating on. But as long as both teams give it their all; which they normally do; and there are no injuries; then I will be quite pleased.
     
  3. AJM7680

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    Pretty sure the defense has not surrendered a touchdown since the first half of the Penn State game (three games ago),
     
  4. Dad

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    Hats off to Navy. Tight, close game. They did what they needed to in order to win.
     
  5. DevilDog

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    Good game AF had 3 fumbles and two missed FG's. Navy wanted it more.
     
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    For someone who was at the game, please tell me that it was not the cadets booing an injured Navy player about two minutes before the end of regulation play.
     
  7. DevilDog

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    I was sitting behind the cadets, I don't remember anything like that going on.
     
  8. Christcorp

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    They weren't booing the player. The ncaa has a rule that towards the end of a game, they are very aware of the clock and injuries. Some teams and players have faked injuries to either stop the clock when they don't have time outs left, or to keep the clock rolling when they don't want the other team to do another play. Now one is saying navy did this. We dont think so. But, the refs allowed an extra 3-4 seconds go by before stopping the clock. The boos were to get the clock reset which it wasn't. Wouldn't have made a difference, but it was the principle of it.
     
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    The whole family was dressed up in Navy gear to watch the big game. Navy flag flying outside and even the dog was ready for the game. DD was in her Navy sweatshirt but started rooting for AF! Our DS at USNA would have lost it! She has applied to both academies this year and went to both summer seminars and I was SHOCKED!! I am wondering if subconscioulsy she was telling us where her loyalties are. Well, I guess that wasn't TOO subconscious.
    The family did point out that if she was appointed to AF at least we could root for both and I wouldn't have had cardiac arrest like I did yesterday in the fourth quarter!!! I guess time will tell! In any event, great game to watch and it is a blessing to know that we are all a military family in the end! :thumb:
     
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    They were booing prior to the officials having the opportunity to reset the clock. Oh, they were booing because they just knew the officials were not going to put time back on the clock? Or perhaps they thought the way to endear themselves to the officiating crew and influence them to make a call in ther favor was to boo them beforehand? Why don't we just recogniae it for what it really was?
     
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    There's nothing to recognize for what it was. I was there at the game too. Maybe you had some people near you booing the down player. But where I was, I didn't hear any booing until the clock CONTINUED to count down. At least 3-5 seconds went by before the ref stopped the clock for the injury. And that time was never put back on. I don't believe that it would have made any difference in the outcome of the game, but the rule is there for a reason. The normal procedure is for the ref to place the ball as soon as possible and let play continue. But they couldn't because of the downed player and the clock continued. Believe what you want. I was there too. Maybe you had some jerks near you, but that's not what I witnessed. But as I saw the clock moving down and the teams not going to the line as soon as they could, I started booing to. The teams already have their plays ahead of time just for these last second plays.
     
  12. LFry94

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    I was at the game as well. The clock read 16 seconds left and Air Force was ready to run their next play. That's when I noticed the hurt Navy player, and I looked up expecting the clock to have stopped. When I noticed that it was still counting, I began booing too. Not because the Navy player was hurt, but because the clock counted down to 11 seconds before it was stopped and the time was never put back on the clock. Like CC said, it's the principle of the matter. I would never boo an injured player, but like all fans of any sports team, I would boo a bad ref decision that would diminish those few precious seconds at the end of a game.
     
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    Perception is reality. There were a lot of fans, both in the stadium and on national TV, who thought the cadets were booing an injured Navy player.
     
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    If that classless perception existed, rest assured it would have been written about in blogs, game summaries, newspapers etc; Cadets are held to a higher standard and they should be.

    I googled 80 permutations of "AF, Navy, injury, boo, booing, running clock, Cadets, controversial and Air Force". That perception doesn't exist because I could not find any discussion what-so-ever other than this link http://www.serviceacademyforums.com/showthread.php?p=272764 . :wink: I am convinced someone somewhere would have talked about it.

    Dozens of sites and blogs talked about the game. The closest I got to the word "boo" or "booing" was when someone was talking about Boo Corrigan (an Army Football Coach).
     
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    Read the above posts. Both CC and Fry stated that they booed. They booed while an injured Navy player was on the field. Do you think they were the only ones?
     
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    We agree that at least some of the Cadets were booing. I was addressing your statement about the perception of why they were booing. :)

    If there was a perception of the Cadets booing an injuried player, then that perception would be a reality in the minds of many. But my googling shows that you are in the severe minority (as in the exclusive vocal person) who think the cadets were booing an injured player. Therefore the perception doesn't exist.

    When the clock is winding down, peoples eyes go to the clock to see the remaining time. The unstopped clock (and therefore the booing) would happen for a variety of reasons. It just so happened a player was down which happens often in the game of football. I am concluding (by the lack of anyone else talking about this) that the rest of the world didn't have the same perception as you did.
     
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    It's real simple. You asked the question about whether an injured player was being booed. The answer is "NO".
     
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    At the risk of beating this beyond death:

    Or, more than likely, booing has become so commonplace that only those associated with a SA might somehow find it "classless."

    I can remember when cadets and midshipmen were forbidden from booing. Period. The episode Saturday would have .resulted in the entire wing being restricted. Therefore, I must admit that to discuss "honorable booing" is, to me, an oxymoron.

    I can also remember when, each time there was an injured player on the field, a hush would settle over the entire stadium. Then, when the injured player left the field, he would receive, again, from everyone, a nice round of applause.

    Perhaps, if it is truly as MN-Dad states, that SAs are indeed held to a higher standard, they could at least wait until an injured player is off the field to boo the officials.
     
  19. DevilDog

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    I think you are making a big deal out of nothing or you are trying to make a big deal out of nothing.
     
  20. MN-Dad-2016

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    All things being equal, I'd prefer fans not to "boo". But many college student section chants are 100 times more classless. This boo was a disgruntled attack against the referees to stop the clock.

    Simply put, the AF fan's attention got taken away from the hurt player and onto the running clock because it was overtime. It was a natural reaction that is common place in sporting events. Your perception of booing because the player was hurt was different than what others thought. The horse is officially beaten.
     

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