Repay!!

All three, but on whose part?
The way I read it the program was administered badly and those who now have to repay had no way of knowing they were not eligible.
Particularly when they were offered the program and then given all the money up front.
 
I just can't help thinking there is more to this then what has been reported.

It reminds me of my son, he had not been charged leave for nearly a year even though he has taken at least 20 days, it's been over a year since then. Now he could just not say anything and it could take them years to find the error meaning he would be required to pay back at some later date. I keep thinking that while offered these bonuses, some if not many may have known or had a suspicion they were not eligible.

Just a thought, I could be wrong
 
Typical DFAS BS- they approved and paid reenlistment bonuses to soldiers, and then a decade later (conveniently after the Army no longer desperately needs Soldiers to fight a war) - not 10 days, not 10 weeks but 10 years later- long after the soldiers have executed their obligations under the contract and deployed to a combat zone multiple times in some cases, some toad decides that they don't meet the criteria for the program. Of course it took a battery of lawyers A DECADE of interpretation to figure that out, unlike SP Slippenshitz who foolishly thought that the Chain of Command that approved those reenlistment bonuses actually had the knowledge and authority to do so. And then the Government decides that it not only will get repaid in full, but they will collect interest as well. Unlike every private organization in the US, Government is never obligated by the actions of its agents - so the only person who is ever in jeopardy is the poor schnook who actually believed the advice of someone who is supposed to be in the position to know the complexities of the program. It is a gross injustice and what is really appalling is that the SecDef , the CSA and the California TAG aren't standing up and protecting their personnel - (though I shouldn't be surprised as they almost never do). What a bunch of bureaucratic garbage.
 
At least some in Congress appear to be up in arms about this so perhaps some action will be taken. Nah.... what was I thinking!
 
I recall the tiny print on my Navy pay record jacket, something along the lines of "the member is responsible for ensuring pay is accurate and reporting any discrepancies." The Govt didn't appear to take any responsibility for errors in pay, whether in its favor or the member's.

I got tangled up in a pay issue where the Navy kept paying me BAH, even though we had moved into military quarters. I had properly filled out the form with Housing. My DH and I have different surnames, so I suspect that derailed something with somebody. Every month, BAH would show up in my direct deposit. Every month I would go to the pay office to get it taken care of. Every month I would be told it was fixed. This went on for 5 months. Then, the pay office was audited, and I received a nasty letter telling me of potential consequences of receiving unauthorized BAH. I went to the Housing Office and got a copy of the correct form. I took my checkbook, and my list of petty officers and civilians with whom I had talked to get this overpay fixed, and I went to see the OIC of the pay office. I was furious, said I was ready to write a check right then for the funds, since I hadn't spent them, and here was the list of staff with whom I had talked. They still couldn't tell me exactly what I was overpaid. I said I would wait outside his office until they figured it out. It took 4 hours, but they did. I then asked for a signed acknowledgement that I was in the clear, and there was no error on my part. I was a junior officer then, and after that, my lesson learned was to be a "witch" the instant something appeared to be wrong, and document everything.

I suspect it was an admin zoo getting these Guardsmen and women called up and activated. Somebody didn't do their homework on authorized funds. The Guard folk would have had little idea of how pay and bonuses worked in situations like this. They were going to war, and had other things on their mind, such as family separation, job security and going in harm's way. Many of them would leave higher-paying civilian jobs to take the lower pay of their Guard rank. Some companies pay the difference, many do not. If a Guard or Reserve is self-employed, that is very tough on the member if there is a significant delta between that income and their military pay. Unless there is something not being reported, it's just shabby. Classic pay foul-up, and years later, being dunned for it.

Can you tell that my encounter with the Navy pay office still makes my blood boil? A taint of ethics issues can end a career. One thing it made me do, any time one of my sailors had a pay issue, I would send them to the pay office with their Chief, and instructions to document everything and not assume it would get fixed. Ditto officers who worked for me.

Plenty of great people work at the pay offices, both military and civilian. But unwitting folks get ground up in the gears when Govt money appears to be misspent, and the auditors are on the hunt. Plenty of nice auditors too; they are safeguarding taxpayer money. It just seems common sense flies out the window.
 
It turns out the California Congressmen have know about this for two years, but now they are outraged.
 
It turns out the California Congressmen have know about this for two years, but now they are outraged.
The national media is now covering the story. California congressmen are now outraged. Go figure. (sarcasm here, just incase you didn't hear it in my voice)

:mad: there is mad
:rolleyes: or rolling eyes
:bang: bang bang or
:blowup:blow up
but I don't see blood boiling.
 
"...I am ordering a series of steps to ensure fair treatment for thousands of California National Guard soldiers who may have received incentive bonuses and tuition assistance improperly as a result of errors and in some cases criminal behavior by members of the California National Guard." Ash Carter

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/militar...raged-over-reenlistment-bonus-scandal-n673071
Amazing what bad publicity will do to energize politicians. They've been collecting on these debts for over a year- but when it hits Time magazine then it's a scandal. Better late then never I guess. What's appalling though is a system that saw nothing inherently wrong with using the full power of the government to pursue collection (WITH INTEREST no less) with no consideration for the circumstances that surround the issue or the hardships imposed on individuals whose only mistake was believing the administrators of the program to begin with.
 
I wonder if the bonuses and school loan repayments were tax events at the time of receipt? Nothing like getting whacked going and coming.
 
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