ROTC and Government shut down

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  1. live4ever

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    How will an eventual (and right now seemingly unavoidable) government shut down over this week-end, affect ROTC students (stipends, scholarships, etc...?)
    I feel i know the answer...:frown:
     
  2. Jcleppe

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    Wow...Great minds...

    I just posted the same question on the March 8th AROTC thread.

    You bring up a good questions regarding stipends. My older son is a MS3, he told us today that the Cadre and HR people really did'nt know how it would be handled. They did tell the cadets not to spend to much expecting that they will get the next payment on time, they indicated their could be delays. I don't think anyone knows quite for sure what will happen. Thank goodness we are not at the point when tuition needed to be paid or book money was due.

    Hopefully the next round of scholarship winners have already been funded, i guess we'll have to wait and see if notifications really start going out next week.

    Good luck everyone
     
  3. P-Flying17

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    I have no clue either, especially since I know those I work with who are already stressed, will be even more so....

    This is ridiculous. There are so many other ways to save money opposed to putting so many out of work, with no back pay.

    And it is not a vacation when you already live pay check to pay check.

    I would think that ROTC would lose their stipends, but I have no clue.
     
  4. Pima

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    It was on the news this am (watched Morning Joe) and they discussed it. Stipends will not be paid, and according to them nor will the military be paid if it goes past the 15th. (paydays), but they will still report to work.

    I remember the 95/96 shut down, but I don't recall not getting paid. Than again since Bullet always was a use or lose guy, they could have just charged him leave and that is why we were paid. If I recall correctly they did not fly during those days unless it was for MQ status. Rule of thumb is a flier must fly within a 3 week time period, so they were able to ride it out.

    I am hoping that at least for the AD members this is not true. I know as a retiree we were informed that it could impact our bennies, including pay.

    Bullet is a GS at the Pentagon, and we know that if it occurs we will get paid, but as P-17 stated it will be because he has leave accrued. I.E. forced. vacation.

    They stated that this will impact millions of people. 800K federal workers, on top of that retirees and in their assumption if it goes past the 15th the military.

    Not trying to be political here, but this is BS, especially when the MOCs and their staffers will be declared essential and get paid no matter how long it takes to settle.

    Issa has come out already and stated his 33 staffers are essential.

    UGH!
     
  5. Pima

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    Gates just stated that the AD military will also not be paid including our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.
     
  6. OhioStateDad

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    That is pure political BS, if they do shut down and the President does not make the exception for AD military (which he is the only one other than congress that can make that decision) he and the rest of the yum heads on capital hill will have sealed their political coffins. IMHO.
     
  7. Just_A_Mom

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    In 95 the military continued to get paychecks on time.

    Military will eventually get paid - thye will all get back pay.
    Federal employees who are furloughed will not be allowed to use vacation. As of now, they will not be paid for the days they are furloughed.

    It's bull but it works both ways - both parties are to blame.
     
  8. Pima

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    It has been announced that AD members will get paid. Problem is ROTC is not AD.

    JAM I am not sure I agree with you re: GS. DH is a GS and will be hit, but currently he has been told that he can use his leave.

    I absolutely, positively do not want to test the premise, especially since VA retirement pay is also in the mix.

    My anger right now is the Obama administration forced contractors to convert to govt., and now we as retirees are getting boffed 2x, Retirees and GS. DH loved his contracting job, and the company. Obama administration decided that he had to work for the govt. He works at the same desk, same phone extension, same job...just now his pension is on the govts dime.

    I have very specific words, but I will refrain.

    OBTW not only as a retiree are we in jeopardy, or the forced GS, but our DS in ROTC is also going to take a hit.

    Want to drive yourself insane? Most/majority of MOCs have classified their staff as essential, in other words they will collect a check. Pentagon GS's no check.
     
  9. Just_A_Mom

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    Pima - here is a link to the latest Army Times article. Maybe you have this info already...
    http://www.armytimes.com/news/2011/04/military-government-shutdown-details-040711w/

    It looks like retirees will continue to get paid.
    I don't think all staffers will be classified as 'essential' but some probably will. Memo's went out yesterday to Congressional Staffers.
    Hopefully today all Federal workers will at least know if they are "essential" or not.
     
  10. Azmomm

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    Just more info, in regards to "knowiing" if we are essential, husband told all must report Monday no matter what to determine if you must stay and if not to sign papers to the fact from that point responsible for all insurance healthcare payments. This has got to be horrible for some people. Hope it gets straightened out soon
     
  11. Jcleppe

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    This may be a bit OT but the whole Government Shutdown got me thinking.

    Will the civilian contractors, HR person, and Supply person in each ROTC batallion be sent home. That will be a mess since my son's batallion is leaving for their FTX this weekend, won't be anyone to check in the gear when they get home. Blackhawks are taking them to FTX today, will they be able to pick them up on Sunday. We've heard non essential flying could be stopped. Could be an interesting bus ride home.

    All of the SA's have mix of civilian and military professors and staff, will the civilians be told to stay home. If so will cadets just have a few days with no classes, I guess they could mow the lawns since I'm sure those employees will be gone as well.

    This all got me wondering since many departments don't know for sure whether they are deemed essential or not. We live in Seattle and have a Gov. Locks system to bring ships from Puget Sound to our two large lakes. They said this morning they have not been told yet whether they will operate or not, a lot of ships are trying to get in and out today just in case.

    It will be an interesting week if for our cadets, and family members that work for the government. Good luck to all of you.
     
  12. Pima

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    If they have those lovely initials of GS they will not be showing up at work. The SA's have already informed cadets that they will still have class, but if the teacher is civilian, the class will be taught by AD members.

    It also will tick off a lot of people at the Pentagon to just go in and sign papers, because many of them Slug in, so getting in won't be an issue, getting home will be.

    Bullet's office is in tense mode because right now the only people that work on the requirements for many of the air frames are GS.
     
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    The problem is the AD members have already been informed that their 15th paycheck will only be 1/2, covering up to the 8th. They will get backpay as soon as the budget is passed, but until that time there are real dire consequences for military members.


    I believe even ROTC cadets will get 1/2 of their traditional stipend too. Not swearing by it because I have heard both ways.

    The other issue is that there are civilians that work on every base in different positions, which will still impact the military and ROTC. People tend to think civilians are the rarities on bases or at the Pentagon. The secretaries for the Wing King is not a military member, they are civilians. Almost the entire AFA office at the Pentagon is civilian. Bullet's office is 50-50.

    Hence, even if they get the military sorted out, the problem for ROTC cadets and candidates will be the lack of civilians will force the military members to do double the work. Which will translate into longer lag times. Luckily this is the slow time, but there still will be an impact.

    For ex: AFROTC SFT starts in a few short weeks. Last time there was a shut down it lasted for 3 weeks. If that occurs, you could be looking at issues re: getting orders processed fast enough.

    Gone are the days that everyone that works on a base wears a uniform. Much of the day in day out clerical is civilian. Had this occured last yr it wouldn't have been as big of an issue, but Obama for FY 10-11 converted many of these jobs from contractor to govt.

    9 months ago, Bullet would still have had to show up for work because he was a Contractor for L3, that job was converted to GS last Sept. Come Monday, in his office there will be nobody to answer F35 questions. Doesn't seem like a big deal, but right now they are working with getting the initial cadre on line. He was suppose to go on a trip next week with a 3 star. If this is a repeat of 96, he can't go. That 3 star isn't going to be thrilled, and even more so because come Monday he can not answer calls or emails at all. It is basically a lock out.

    This will be repeated all over the Pentagon. All over bases across the country. Like I stated people don't realize how many govt employees work directly with the military on a daily basis.

    The reason these civilian jobs were created in the 1st place with the military was to create a seamless transition for the military.
     
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    Weird scene on capitol hill today. It was much quieter than I expected. Everyone seems convinced there will be a shutdown, with federal employees off on Monday (except for "essential" personnel).

    There is also a strong belief that things will be worked out by next week. Congress is supposed to be heading into a 2-week recess after that point.
     
  16. Ohio2015Parent

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    Yes, God forbid they miss a recess.
     
  17. OhioStateDad

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    So would that be the same "essential" personnel that show-up during a snow storm or has the definition of "essential" changed again:wink:
     
  18. patentesq

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    Holy cow. We have a deal!
     
  19. Azmomm

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    WOOHOO :smile:
     
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    Partyyyyyyy
     

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