ROTC cadets, recent graduates offered release from service commitments

Does anyone have figures for AFSC numbers, such as below?
Do they typically release these after non-rated careers come out?
I dug this out from my notes below that someone had posted awhile back:

2012

FY '12 Commissioning AFSC Requirements
13DXA Combat Rescue 7
13DXB Special Tactics 8
13L Career ALO 13
13M Airfield Operations 11
13S Space & Missile Ops 96
14N Intelligence 176
15W Meteorology Weather 23
17D Cyber 80
21A Aircraft Maint 40
21M Munitions/Missile Maint 13
21R Logistics Readiness 47
31P Security Forces 28
32EXA Architecture Civil Engr 2
32EXC Civil Engr Civil Engr 1
32EXE Electrical Engr Civil Engr 4
32EXF Mechanical Engr Civil Engr 4
32EXG General Engr Civil Engr 26
32EXJ Environmental Engr Civil Engr 0
35P Public Affairs 12
38F Personnel/Manpower/Svcs 44
61AX Math / Ops Research Scientist 20
61BX Behavioral Psychology Scientist 3
61CX Chemistry Scientist 2
61DX Physics Scientist 0
62EXA Aeronautical Engr Developmental Engr 28
62EXB Astronautical Engr Developmental Engr 12
62EXC Computer Engr Developmental Engr 9
62EXE Electrical Engr Developmental Engr 78
62EXG General Engr Developmental Engr 47
62EXH Mechanical Engr Developmental Engr 15
63A Engr, Math, Mgt, or 24 hrs Acquisition 50
64P Contracting 22
65F/W Financial Management 22
71S Special Investigations 8
Total Non-Rated Line 951

Pilot 505
Nav 204
ABM 68
UAS 80
Total Rated Line 857

Total 1,808
 
That post is the same post I referenced earlier from nick. Not sure where he got the info back then, but I would also love to see the numbers for Y14. I suspect that since the AF is reducing the numbers in the majority of the Non Rated AFSC's, that the numbers will not be released any time soon!
 
Just an assumption, but I suspect the same thing because currently we are in FY 14, and they are allowing 13 grads to walk if they are not ADAF yet. In essence, the final tally will change.

I do not know why, but 2200+ sticks in my mind for this yrs group re: SFT selection. I can't see them dropping @17% more from SFT to commissioning to bring them to the same class size as 12.

It will be interesting to see what the SFT rate for this yr. will be.

Out of curiosity for the 400's non-rated, how many got their 1st pick? Just trying to see if in the delay of releasing the AFSC's, did they already start moving career fields around? IOWs let's say Intel was no.1, Cyber was no. 2, and they got whatever they chose for number 3.


mbitr,
If you want to discuss Mr.Marshall, and Hagel in more depth, please feel free to start a thread regarding how Hagel's decision is impacting the military. I did not mean to take the thread off topic to the level it went. This is about the AF and those being cut, not about ageism and Mr. Marshall. I only placed that info to illustrate the level of fraud, waste and abuse occurring currently, and how I felt these AF members were getting the short end of the stick.
 
My son's first pick was cyber but he got program management acquisitions instead, which was his second pick. To be fair, he was marginally qualified for cyber, and very qualified for procurement so it wasn't a huge surprise.
 
I received my first choice for aircraft maintenance. All but one person out of 13 of us received first choice

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Interesting, it appears that AFROTC had a higher % of getting 1st choice than AFA grads. Then again they are not up for VS, and that may be why their % appears to be lower than AFROTC. This was posted on the AFA forums.

The 1,011 senior cadets received their Air Force Specialty Codes --- aka career fields -- through the Commandant of Cadets. Ninety-five percent of cadets received either their first, second or third choice of Air Force specialties.

The Break-down:
· 63-percent of Academy cadets received their first choice.
· 23-percent received their second choice.
· 9-percent received their third choice.

The future career fields for the Class of 2014, broken down by Air Force Specialty Codes are:
· Pilot: 456
· Combat Systems Officer: 5
· Air Battle Manager: 2
· Remote Piloted Aircraft: 9
· Special Tactics: 3
· Combat Rescue: 4
· Air Liaison Officer: 6
· Air Field Operations: 2
· Nuclear/Missile Operations: 2
· Space Operations: 19
· Intelligence: 52
· Weather: 5
· Cyberspace Operations: 41
· Operations Research Analyst: 20
· Behavioral Science/Human Factors Scientist: 4
· Chemist/Nuclear Chemist: 4
· Physicist/Nuclear Engineer: 5
· Developmental Engineer - Aeronautical: 9
· Developmental Engineer - Astronautical: 9
· Developmental Engineer - Computer Systems: 8
· Developmental Engineer - Electrical/Electronic: 3
· Developmental Engineer - Project: 17
· Developmental Engineer - Mechanical: 4
· Civil Engineer: 1
· Civil Engineer: 1
· Civil Engineer - General: 29
· Civil Engineer - Environmental Engineer: 1
· Aircraft Maintenance: 24
· Munitions and Missile Maintenance: 3
· Logistics Readiness: 22
· Security Forces: 12
· Public Affairs: 5
· Force Support: 38
· Health Professions: 5
· OSI: 4
· Acquisition Manager: 99
· Contracting: 45
·Financial Management: 33

It will be interesting to see what the breakdown is for AFROTC.
 
Wow, thanks for that Academy AFSC list Pima!

I hope that they release the AFROTC AFSC list soon. As for my detachment, it seemed a lot got their 1st or 2nd choice (only a few 3rd).
 
Pima said:
Interesting, it appears that AFROTC had a higher % of getting 1st choice than AFA grads. Then again they are not up for VS, and that may be why their % appears to be lower than AFROTC. This was posted on the AFA forums.
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I wouldn't make that assumption until they release an AFSC breakdown for AFROTC. There were a couple disappointments at my det, a little more than half got their 1st choice, the rest got 2nd choice and 1 or 2 got the 3rd choice they put down but really didn't want at all. Most ppl were pretty happy save the few that didn't get their 1st or 2nd choice. My guess is it'll probably level out to similar percentages as the AFA.
 
You may be correct that it will look different when the results are released, but I doubt the release will be anytime soon that will illustrate the true breakdown. I.E. not until March because of the VSP being offered to the non-rated 14s.

I do wonder if getting a 2nd or even a choice not on their list will increase the number that will take the AF on the offer to bolt instead of doing 4 yrs.

I wish and hope that for everyone wanting to stay they have the ability to do so. I am sure this is a tumultuous time, just keep the faith, trust me as a retired O5's wife, many times in your career you will have to just believe in fate...especially for those big boards like O4 and above and PME In residence selection. Nothing stinks more than basically feeling your life is on hold for up to @4- 6 months.
 
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I asked my son. He replied, "there is nothing to do about it dad, and I know you, you will be going on the internet and researching it, don't bother, I will find out soon enough."

So there you go.
 
Moosestache said:
I asked my son. He replied, "there is nothing to do about it dad, and I know you, you will be going on the internet and researching it, don't bother, I will find out soon enough."

So there you go.
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Moosestache, that quote sounds AWEFUL FAMILIAR....
 
Do you all get the option of moving into a different or under strength AFSC?
 
mbitr, just my opinion, but looking at the list of non rated AFSC's listed for reduction, I don't believe there is many if any understrengthed AFSC's to transfer into. Most of the Non Rated AFSC's not listed require an engineering degree, not good news for non tech majors!
 
I agree if you are a non-tech, it appears that it would be insanely difficult to find an AFSC to transfer into at this point of their academic career.
 
I guess hope that a bunch of people take them up on leaving, and hope you rate higher than enough of the people who are left.
 
Moose, I talked to my DS today and he said that he did not know of any 400's at his DET volunteering for the release. I suspect this will be the same at most DET's. I wonder how the AF plans to meet the reduction without enough volunteers, maybe a seperate OML list for each AFSC being reduced?
 
I have no idea, nor does my son. Hopefully, the new budget deal, if passed, may do away with this issue.
 
Moosestache said:
I have no idea, nor does my son. Hopefully, the new budget deal, if passed, may do away with this issue.
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One of the first things that went through my mind as well. However, I saw Odierno on Charlie Rose last night and I suspect drawdowns will continue. Army, at least, seems intent on downsizing and I expect any additional funds will be used to improve readiness. I suspect that will apply to Air Force and Navy as well. Just me surmising though.
 
I agree the budget is not going to impact it as much as one may think. The AF had a set number already for manpower needs. Manpower looks at the officer to enlisted ratio, than from there they look at the rank ratios. They want X% of Flag to Field, Field to Company, and from there they break it down even more between O3 to O2, O2 to O1.

It is all about timing.

As far as what they will do, my guess is they will do something akin to a RIF. There will be a separate board, and they will use their OML, and their AFSC. I.E. It may be that they only need 2 to go from the Cyber field, and they have 50 with that AFSC, chances of staying would be high compared to other fields.
~~~ Again that is my guess from using the RIF's that happened in the 90's. To RIF without using their AFSC would mean that they might have to come back and re-board them. I.E. Use Cyber again, but now let's say they are the bottom OMLs. (No Flaming, it is an example). Now the AF that only had to release 2, need to find 48 cadets to fill those slots.

I am not shocked by cadets not signing on. Mainly due to the fact that whenever there has been VSP in the ADAF inevitably there is always a RIF/SERB that follows. I think it is in our nature to believe we are better than the person standing to the left and right of us, when in fact we are usually one of them on the left or right.
~ One thing to remember is those that commissioned in 13, but have not reported yet, also get to leave, so you don't know they may have decided to bolt.

Good luck to all.
 
Does this imply AFROTC scholarship quota will be significantly reduced compared to previous years ?
 
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