Discussion in 'Nominations' started by goblacknights, Jul 13, 2009.
Is a ROTC nomination considered service-connected?
I didn't think you needed a nomination for ROTC?
No you do not need a nomination for ROTC.
You are confusing the two. If you are in ROTC you may get a nom from them for the SA. To get into ROTC you do not need a nom.
What I mean is to get in a SA from ROTC is ROTC considered a service-connected nomination
yes. However, there are different categories for service connected nominations and the numbers available vary.
20 may be appointed from ROTC, 85 may be appointed from the regular Army and 85 may be appointed from the reserve components of the Army (reserves and guard).
While you may get a ROTC nomination - only 20 appointments are available.
Very true JAM, however, I think very few ROTC students decide to go back and ask for a nom, thus, the amount is low, but the chances for an appt maybe higher. In DS's det of 100's of cadets, nobody requested a nom. He has friends on ROTC scholarships at DUKE, OSU, NC State and ECU, they were hanging out and talking about if anyone from their det applied to the SA's (2 are Army, 3 AF), they knew of nobody. Not saying that it doesn't occur, just saying it isn't used to a high frequency. As a matter of fact the det commander knew DS turned down the AFA for ROTC and came to him last Oct., asking if he was going to reapply, DS said nope! Thus, the det commander did not put any name in for an ROTC nom
One thing to highlight about an ROTC nom, you may request one from your det commander, but it does not mean he will support you.
RE: ROTC - the number of 20 also includes those in JROTC, however.
All the kids who attend a Military Jr College as a part of the AOG Scholarship program (40 for WP) receive ROTC nominatinon.
It's not something that can be counted on at least for West Point.
Didn't know that.
I wonder how many JROTC noms receive appts from the ROTC category over the ROTC noms, if they are both put into the same pile.
That's the kind of statistic I wish floated around somewhere. Just like i wish I knew how many were put on the NA wait list...and how many were offered appointments from the wait list. Some of this info is just not available to us mere mortals...
I have seen the NWL stats somewwhere, just can't remember where, I think it was about 50 on avg that come off the list. However, I don't know if that number is included in the offered appt pile when they do the break down or not.
I would also assume that a higher amount is given to ROTC over JROTC, since many of the candidates that are ROTC were also JROTC in hs. Also, many ROTC students have gone through the process before and now know their exact weaknesses, so they make sure that they fill in those areas (i.e. they had a low CFA, or low ECS). They also have all college classes, which means their gpa would be rescored higher than the hs, increasing their PAR. Their ALO would be a new ALO, but aware of the fact that they are trying again. The ALO may rack and stack thm higher than the hs student just based on the fact that this candidate has shown their dedication to get to the AFA. They just didn't say "oh well, I didn't get an appt, o I'll be commissioned via ROTC, no biggie" instead they said I am not giving up, I will put myself through this all over again. Finally, one of their recs will be their det commander, I would assume that the board would give more weight to det commander who is in charge of cadets that actually receive commissions, than the hs commander where many kids take JROTC as an elective to fill their course schedule. ROTC cadets carry extra courses because ROTC is not a class that can be assigned as an elective in college. These kids as freshman only get 1 credit per semester, but they still have mandatory pt 2 x a week, plus mandatory volunteer hours (yes, I know that is a paradox...mandatory and volunteer).
The ROTC student probably has one more thing in their file that the JROTC does not, and that is the PQFT and if they score high, that shows their abilities regarding the AF. It can work against them if they are low too! This is a test that is administered in October to ROTC and AFA cadets. The only equivalent I could give it is the SAT for the military. Score low and you can kiss UPT buh bye even with the best eyesight. The higher scores are usually cadets that have PPL hours since they understand things like air speed and alt. I think when Bullet was in ROTC he scored 89,(never being in a cockpit) but later on in his life when he thought of x training from WSO to pilot he had to do it again, and then he had a 99.
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